Lambo Cui
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Re: Lambo Cui
out of all types of cars... taxi is the most...and easily noticeable..
more cars = more accidents.... not always the taxi's fault...
taxis swerving to get customers... yes dangerous... but most drivers are old uncles... slower reaction time... at the end of the day they just trying to earn a living... not easy...this happens to many other countries too not only singapore
not fair to generalise taxis and taxis drivers... its the few taxi drivers that like to overclaim and bully younger driver tricking them into claiming their insurance is the few bad ones... these are the ones i hate
out of all types of cars... taxi is the most...and easily noticeable..
more cars = more accidents.... not always the taxi's fault...
taxis swerving to get customers... yes dangerous... but most drivers are old uncles... slower reaction time... at the end of the day they just trying to earn a living... not easy...this happens to many other countries too not only singapore
not fair to generalise taxis and taxis drivers... its the few taxi drivers that like to overclaim and bully younger driver tricking them into claiming their insurance is the few bad ones... these are the ones i hate
Re: Lambo Cui
Happy to carry views to conclusion, to check with you guys how logical it is... but first we need to agree on 5 models of car (or even light vehicles like small vans, etc) that are extremely common on the roads - and that are very low performance and/or used purely as transport for people or goods, not the sort that are modified and/or driven by nuts. These are the only conditions.
Is there a public database showing proportion of each car make and model in total SG car population?
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Jeremy, better?
Happy to carry views to conclusion, to check with you guys how logical it is... but first we need to agree on 5 models of car (or even light vehicles like small vans, etc) that are extremely common on the roads - and that are very low performance and/or used purely as transport for people or goods, not the sort that are modified and/or driven by nuts. These are the only conditions.
Is there a public database showing proportion of each car make and model in total SG car population?
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Jeremy, better?
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Re: Lambo Cui
Ok I think we all can agree that those cars (except the mini 1.6) are all very common on the roads. I mean you see them everywhere you go. They are much more common that say CTRs, Evos, and certainly exotics.
Do we also agree that the cars you listed are almost never modified or driven irresponsibly by nutbag drivers? I'm not so sure on this one cos guys in the other recent thread were complaining about Wishes being aggressive. But I guess for the rest of the list we can more or less agree.
So given how many cars of these cars there are on the road, can anyone remember the last time you saw a news report or stomp report about accidents (esp car to car) involving them? Not just small accidents but accidents like this one where entire halves of the car get destroyed, wheel(s) gone, etc. Or other accidents where engines fly meters away, car wraps around tree, or gets chopped in half, flips, or crashes into wall and catches fire, etc.
Singapore registered MX-5s, F430s, Caymans, GT3s, Murcis, CTRs, Evos, regular Lancers, Elises, Golfs, WRXes, all have in recent years been involved in accidents of the nature described in paragraph above. What is common to all of them? Why are the crash report numbers so darn high relative to the much more common Corollas and Latios, etc.? There's really only one conclusion IMO.
Which is why I never really extend benefit of doubt in situations like the above because the odds of it being correct are just crushingly small, right next to zero.
totoseow;588217 said:
Ok I think we all can agree that those cars (except the mini 1.6) are all very common on the roads. I mean you see them everywhere you go. They are much more common that say CTRs, Evos, and certainly exotics.
Do we also agree that the cars you listed are almost never modified or driven irresponsibly by nutbag drivers? I'm not so sure on this one cos guys in the other recent thread were complaining about Wishes being aggressive. But I guess for the rest of the list we can more or less agree.
So given how many cars of these cars there are on the road, can anyone remember the last time you saw a news report or stomp report about accidents (esp car to car) involving them? Not just small accidents but accidents like this one where entire halves of the car get destroyed, wheel(s) gone, etc. Or other accidents where engines fly meters away, car wraps around tree, or gets chopped in half, flips, or crashes into wall and catches fire, etc.
Singapore registered MX-5s, F430s, Caymans, GT3s, Murcis, CTRs, Evos, regular Lancers, Elises, Golfs, WRXes, all have in recent years been involved in accidents of the nature described in paragraph above. What is common to all of them? Why are the crash report numbers so darn high relative to the much more common Corollas and Latios, etc.? There's really only one conclusion IMO.
Which is why I never really extend benefit of doubt in situations like the above because the odds of it being correct are just crushingly small, right next to zero.
Alexxx
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Re: Lambo Cui
Actually when i go for servicing in Sim Ming / Alexander area...i see as many Toyotas etc with horrid accidents etc being serviced...
IMHO i guess there are as many if not more of those "top five" cars being involved in serious accidents as compared with GTRs Lambos etc.
Of coz when you read on papers that a toyota is involved in an accident..would you be surprised or interested?? if your a reporter..would you report that a toyota is invoived or would you report that a lambo? which make of cars would readers be more interested in?
Shaun;588356 said:
Actually when i go for servicing in Sim Ming / Alexander area...i see as many Toyotas etc with horrid accidents etc being serviced...
IMHO i guess there are as many if not more of those "top five" cars being involved in serious accidents as compared with GTRs Lambos etc.
Of coz when you read on papers that a toyota is involved in an accident..would you be surprised or interested?? if your a reporter..would you report that a toyota is invoived or would you report that a lambo? which make of cars would readers be more interested in?
Re: Lambo Cui
I can't really go along with someone else's anecdotal evidence.
And even if there really are as many bad crashes in Toyotas, etc. The odds are still extremely high against the sportscar group because there are so many more Toyotas vs the entire GTR, Lambo, Ferrari, Lotus, CTR, etc. total population!
When was the last time someone totalled a Corolla on a test drive?
Or flipped a Latio and killed the salesperson?
Crashed a Wish into a wall and caught fire burning occupants to death?
Corolla to Wish accidents knocks a corner off one of the cars, engine comes flying out?
Wrapped around a tree killing both occupants?
Gone flying off a hill killing passenger?
OR.... Corolla on a leisurely midnight drive just happens to T bone a taxi, and kill the taxi driver?
etc.
Any solid examples (all above has happened with sportscars in recent years) even close to as serious, involving any mundane and populous car, would be useful.
Personally I would be because it's another data point in an interest of mine. I would notice and I would remember.Alexxx;588376 said:
That excuse has been mentioned before by a friend, but my reply is that any fatal car accident usually catches coverage, as does one that causes a jam, or that has spectacular damage. Idiot stompers or forum-busybodies will cover anything. So where is the coverage?
I can't really go along with someone else's anecdotal evidence.
And even if there really are as many bad crashes in Toyotas, etc. The odds are still extremely high against the sportscar group because there are so many more Toyotas vs the entire GTR, Lambo, Ferrari, Lotus, CTR, etc. total population!
When was the last time someone totalled a Corolla on a test drive?
Or flipped a Latio and killed the salesperson?
Crashed a Wish into a wall and caught fire burning occupants to death?
Corolla to Wish accidents knocks a corner off one of the cars, engine comes flying out?
Wrapped around a tree killing both occupants?
Gone flying off a hill killing passenger?
OR.... Corolla on a leisurely midnight drive just happens to T bone a taxi, and kill the taxi driver?
etc.
Any solid examples (all above has happened with sportscars in recent years) even close to as serious, involving any mundane and populous car, would be useful.
pbear1973
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Re: Lambo Cui
Shaun bro,
I saw a Toyota Corolla uproot a lampost at AMK Ave 3. 3 women in a JDM (forgot the make but there was a picture of the totaled car) killed when they wrapped their car around a tree at AJC, saw a Honda Civic with most of its engine on the road at Woodlands Ave 7, saw firemen using a hydraulic spreader trying to free someone from a Stream at the Delta Road on-ramp to the AYE.
There are numerous examples of these cars in accidents. Take a trip to the Borneo Motors body shop in Leng Kee or any of the independent inspection centers. Very educational.
I remember seeing a Corolla at the inspection in Ayer Rajah with a roof that was sloping sideways and with no wing mirrors. He must've have rolled over. Repeatedly. Maybe down a hill.
The point is.. there are many, many examples. Most don't get reported. I think many other haidees here will have other cases. Too bad you don't trust us enough to go along with our "anecdotal examples".
As for your claim that "any fatal car accident usually catches coverage, as does one that causes a jam, or that has spectacular damage. Idiot stompers or forum-busybodies will cover anything.", I think what you should do is to tally the number of Stomp/ST articles against the number of announced accidents causing tailbacks on the roads (plenty whenever it rains). Maybe you should also make a trip down to see if its a sports car/UDM/Merz/Audi involved or a run-of-the-mill JDM. I don't think your argument will hold, whether in absolute numbers or per-capita.
Shaun;588386 said:
Shaun bro,
I saw a Toyota Corolla uproot a lampost at AMK Ave 3. 3 women in a JDM (forgot the make but there was a picture of the totaled car) killed when they wrapped their car around a tree at AJC, saw a Honda Civic with most of its engine on the road at Woodlands Ave 7, saw firemen using a hydraulic spreader trying to free someone from a Stream at the Delta Road on-ramp to the AYE.
There are numerous examples of these cars in accidents. Take a trip to the Borneo Motors body shop in Leng Kee or any of the independent inspection centers. Very educational.
I remember seeing a Corolla at the inspection in Ayer Rajah with a roof that was sloping sideways and with no wing mirrors. He must've have rolled over. Repeatedly. Maybe down a hill.The point is.. there are many, many examples. Most don't get reported. I think many other haidees here will have other cases. Too bad you don't trust us enough to go along with our "anecdotal examples".
As for your claim that "any fatal car accident usually catches coverage, as does one that causes a jam, or that has spectacular damage. Idiot stompers or forum-busybodies will cover anything.", I think what you should do is to tally the number of Stomp/ST articles against the number of announced accidents causing tailbacks on the roads (plenty whenever it rains). Maybe you should also make a trip down to see if its a sports car/UDM/Merz/Audi involved or a run-of-the-mill JDM. I don't think your argument will hold, whether in absolute numbers or per-capita.
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Re: Lambo Cui
True, the only reason got youtube/stomp is bc theres a lambo involved.
totoseow;588436 said:
True, the only reason got youtube/stomp is bc theres a lambo involved.
Re: Lambo Cui
Hi Pbear,
Lamp posts are very weak vs an average tree.
Unknown JDM.. too vague..
Civic is a common car that people like to modify and/or street race, no not applicable
Spreader on Stream.. trapping not equal to serious.. could be just chassis deformation jamming doors up. And what caused it? Accident with a lorry? How is the accident spectacular?
But let's run a little test going forward..... let's wait for the next very serious mundane-car to mundane-car accident (huge damage or death) that occurs on public roads in the daytime, that gets covered by a member of the public or goes up on forums, but doesn't make it into the news, stomp, razortv, within 3 days of it occuring. If there is an example like this someone can highlight, I will pay you $200. However, if the accident gets covered by members of the public, and also makes it into the news or stomp within 3 days of occurence (different person submitting different photos, no interference) then you pay me $200.
Deal?
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I think at some point you have to be logical and stop breaking your back by bending so far to extend all the benefit of the doubt in all situations, just because you too are an enthusiast, or mischievous on the road too here and there. Some things just are what they are.
It's strange to adopt a view that unless the drivers of the sportscars are caught red handed by police, or come out and admit they were speeding or racing, that only then can you criticize it.
In this case, I don't see how the sportscars were going fast enough to create that kind of damage, on that road at that hour (dense traffic). If you tell me they were just driving around normally like everyone else, that's just rubbish and I don't believe it. The 10 other latios and corollas around them should have been involved if it was just random. It's not random..
pbear1973;588419 said:
Hi Pbear,
Lamp posts are very weak vs an average tree.
Unknown JDM.. too vague..
Civic is a common car that people like to modify and/or street race, no not applicable
Spreader on Stream.. trapping not equal to serious.. could be just chassis deformation jamming doors up. And what caused it? Accident with a lorry? How is the accident spectacular?
Yah cos there are no numbers no reports. Just "I saw". All the examples I listed earlier of the sportscar cases are documented ones. I disagree with those who say that only sportscar accidents are likely to get coverage. Look at the Lancer or Civic stories that get covered. These days really anything gets covered, esp accidents that cause jams, involve fatalities.There are numerous examples of these cars in accidents. Take a trip to the Borneo Motors body shop in Leng Kee or any of the independent inspection centers. Very educational.
The point is.. there are many, many examples. Most don't get reported. I think many other haidees here will have other cases. Too bad you don't trust us enough to go along with our "anecdotal examples".
I can't put that much time into it.
But let's run a little test going forward..... let's wait for the next very serious mundane-car to mundane-car accident (huge damage or death) that occurs on public roads in the daytime, that gets covered by a member of the public or goes up on forums, but doesn't make it into the news, stomp, razortv, within 3 days of it occuring. If there is an example like this someone can highlight, I will pay you $200. However, if the accident gets covered by members of the public, and also makes it into the news or stomp within 3 days of occurence (different person submitting different photos, no interference) then you pay me $200.
Deal?
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I think at some point you have to be logical and stop breaking your back by bending so far to extend all the benefit of the doubt in all situations, just because you too are an enthusiast, or mischievous on the road too here and there. Some things just are what they are.
It's strange to adopt a view that unless the drivers of the sportscars are caught red handed by police, or come out and admit they were speeding or racing, that only then can you criticize it.
In this case, I don't see how the sportscars were going fast enough to create that kind of damage, on that road at that hour (dense traffic). If you tell me they were just driving around normally like everyone else, that's just rubbish and I don't believe it. The 10 other latios and corollas around them should have been involved if it was just random. It's not random..
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Re: Lambo Cui
I'm saying that considering the circumstances and the damage - the odds are extremely high that the CTR and Lambo were messing around on the road and that they weren't just unlucky. So when people make inferences, they're actually more right than wrong, at least in this case IMO.
Some say "well just wait till it happens to you and you really are innocent, yet people judge you wrong based on circumstantial evidence" But that's fine with me because everything I have experienced and witnessed, tells me a situation like that will almost never happen. 20 out of 20 times when I've come closest to ending up in really bad situations, it has been entirely a result of my own stupid actions. Same for what I've seen with friends and some strangers too.
totoseow;588520 said:
I'm saying that considering the circumstances and the damage - the odds are extremely high that the CTR and Lambo were messing around on the road and that they weren't just unlucky. So when people make inferences, they're actually more right than wrong, at least in this case IMO.
Some say "well just wait till it happens to you and you really are innocent, yet people judge you wrong based on circumstantial evidence" But that's fine with me because everything I have experienced and witnessed, tells me a situation like that will almost never happen. 20 out of 20 times when I've come closest to ending up in really bad situations, it has been entirely a result of my own stupid actions. Same for what I've seen with friends and some strangers too.
pbear1973
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Re: Lambo Cui
Hmmm darndest thing is that googling for car accidents doesn't really get one anywhere. So tell you what; every time there's a news report of an accident or we see one, let's update this post with all the details, and after maybe 6 months, let's see whether there are more run-of-the-mill cars or fancy cars.
Shaun;588495 said:
Hmmm darndest thing is that googling for car accidents doesn't really get one anywhere. So tell you what; every time there's a news report of an accident or we see one, let's update this post with all the details, and after maybe 6 months, let's see whether there are more run-of-the-mill cars or fancy cars.
