I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
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Re: I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
Hello.. my service light for oil change just flashed today. I typically service at PML or Munich but I find their servicing fees quite exorbitant. For example, last time my service light flashed and I went to one of them for a check up, I was told that it was just a routine check and nothing needs to change and I paid like S$100+ to be told that.
Do I need to go back to PML/Munich for engine oil change or simply any workshop will do?
Hello.. my service light for oil change just flashed today. I typically service at PML or Munich but I find their servicing fees quite exorbitant. For example, last time my service light flashed and I went to one of them for a check up, I was told that it was just a routine check and nothing needs to change and I paid like S$100+ to be told that.
Do I need to go back to PML/Munich for engine oil change or simply any workshop will do?
Seraphblade
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Re: I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
I've tested Motul on my previous ride, I would think that is the best, even according to used oil analysis from lab tests...
If u compare the UOA results of the different oils from the results @ blackstone labs, that would be the most scientific proof of which oil is the best...
However, not sure if their oil is recommended for BMW...
I've tested Motul on my previous ride, I would think that is the best, even according to used oil analysis from lab tests...
If u compare the UOA results of the different oils from the results @ blackstone labs, that would be the most scientific proof of which oil is the best...
However, not sure if their oil is recommended for BMW...
Re: I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
Just did my at Maximus Racing located at Toh Guan Road East, also one of this website sponsor.
Good service and reasonable price.
They do Maserati and Lambo as well.
Those working or staying on the west can consider.
Pauly523;944726 said:
Just did my at Maximus Racing located at Toh Guan Road East, also one of this website sponsor.
Good service and reasonable price.
They do Maserati and Lambo as well.
Those working or staying on the west can consider.
Red_Bean_Bun
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What about the cst ?
What about the cst ?
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Citizen69
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Should be CoST, I think
I wonder why many people are hesitant to post prices of the jobs done or accessories purchased? Is it against the forum rules to post prices of non-site sponsors services or even services charged by site sponsors?
I believe many of us are making decisions roughly based on what fellow forummers have experienced before going down to the workshop (at least I do). Personally if i go down to a certain workshop, then the owner quote a price, I sorta feel obliged to let them do it cause I do not want to spend another day of leave to bring to another workshop.
Market bad, so must seek out those ai qi ai pi, ai tua liap nee.....
davidtch;944818 said:
Should be CoST, I think
I wonder why many people are hesitant to post prices of the jobs done or accessories purchased? Is it against the forum rules to post prices of non-site sponsors services or even services charged by site sponsors?
I believe many of us are making decisions roughly based on what fellow forummers have experienced before going down to the workshop (at least I do). Personally if i go down to a certain workshop, then the owner quote a price, I sorta feel obliged to let them do it cause I do not want to spend another day of leave to bring to another workshop.
Market bad, so must seek out those ai qi ai pi, ai tua liap nee.....
mojoe
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Yup agree... But I think this is pervaded by some site sponsors themselves? They should just put the prices instead of asking people to PM. They can always put in RRP as a guide if they offer additional discounts for people who do more or buy more with them. I have PM'd some before because they ask to. For some, the prices were not something I was prepared to pay so I didn't pursue further. I'm sure there are others who are the same, so rather than waste time and bandwidth replying to same PMs themselves, they could save some trouble by posting the RRP.
Yup agree... But I think this is pervaded by some site sponsors themselves? They should just put the prices instead of asking people to PM. They can always put in RRP as a guide if they offer additional discounts for people who do more or buy more with them. I have PM'd some before because they ask to. For some, the prices were not something I was prepared to pay so I didn't pursue further. I'm sure there are others who are the same, so rather than waste time and bandwidth replying to same PMs themselves, they could save some trouble by posting the RRP.
Citizen69;944843 said:
Re: I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
Choosing a workshop is just like buying tyre is just like buying your underwear. U have to try it out before you know whether it suits you or not. As mentioned before, jobs/accessories is quite commoditized to the extent that 1 ws could undercut the other by $10 - $20. Some ppl shift because of the price diff.
It is no harm to call up ws to check prices before going down.
Not necessary. Cst could be centistokes.Citizen69;944843 said:
Choosing a workshop is just like buying tyre is just like buying your underwear. U have to try it out before you know whether it suits you or not. As mentioned before, jobs/accessories is quite commoditized to the extent that 1 ws could undercut the other by $10 - $20. Some ppl shift because of the price diff.
It is no harm to call up ws to check prices before going down.
Red_Bean_Bun
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Feel like ranting .......
There's a couple things that I think about when it comes to oils -
cst@100 - bmw engines likes it at 12.2. More than that its more viscous like as in heavy e.g. Mobil 0w40 is 13.5. When its more viscous it makes it quieter but hurts fuel economy. More viscous means it deals with heat better. Less than that its light. Good for fuel economy but when it gets hot, protection becomes an issue. But being light, It also means a slightly better engine response. Over time oil gets thinner ..... I don't go with the weights on the label on the bottle, I look at the cst since the 5w30 weight ranges from 9.5 to 12.5. I am inclined to go slightly heavier 13.5 for turbo engines.
HTHS - if its acea b3 certified etc, then it's above 3.5. And 3.5 is the benchmark. I get the higher number if given a choice. Low number means it won't last as long. So if you high rev quite a bit this is important.
LL01 and LL04 - typically LL01 is for high sulphur fuel. LL04 is for low sulphur fuel. Singapore does not publish the sulphur levels in our fuels. Wrong combination results in a rough engine. So I stick with LL01
Base oil - group 3 oil is not 100% synthetic. Group 4 is PAO all synthetic. Group 4 lubricates better stays better on the cylinder walls etc. But some argues that hydro cracked G3 seemed to be as good - depends on the quality of the purification process.
i just go for G4 and be done with that. E.g Mobil 0w40 has a G3 base oil while castrol edge is G4 which is truly synthetic.
Feel like ranting .......
There's a couple things that I think about when it comes to oils -
cst@100 - bmw engines likes it at 12.2. More than that its more viscous like as in heavy e.g. Mobil 0w40 is 13.5. When its more viscous it makes it quieter but hurts fuel economy. More viscous means it deals with heat better. Less than that its light. Good for fuel economy but when it gets hot, protection becomes an issue. But being light, It also means a slightly better engine response. Over time oil gets thinner ..... I don't go with the weights on the label on the bottle, I look at the cst since the 5w30 weight ranges from 9.5 to 12.5. I am inclined to go slightly heavier 13.5 for turbo engines.
HTHS - if its acea b3 certified etc, then it's above 3.5. And 3.5 is the benchmark. I get the higher number if given a choice. Low number means it won't last as long. So if you high rev quite a bit this is important.
LL01 and LL04 - typically LL01 is for high sulphur fuel. LL04 is for low sulphur fuel. Singapore does not publish the sulphur levels in our fuels. Wrong combination results in a rough engine. So I stick with LL01
Base oil - group 3 oil is not 100% synthetic. Group 4 is PAO all synthetic. Group 4 lubricates better stays better on the cylinder walls etc. But some argues that hydro cracked G3 seemed to be as good - depends on the quality of the purification process.
i just go for G4 and be done with that. E.g Mobil 0w40 has a G3 base oil while castrol edge is G4 which is truly synthetic.
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Re: I think gold Mobil 1 is still the best engine oil
Very informative indeed.
I think there is no end comparing oils.
All boils down to butt feel, especially for normal driving for normal driver like me... with occasional high rev.
High or best specs doesn't necessary mean suitable for everybody... to each his own butt and budget.
Right now my comforted butt says gold Mobil 1 0w40... over OWS and Liquid Moly.
Very informative indeed.
I think there is no end comparing oils.
All boils down to butt feel, especially for normal driving for normal driver like me... with occasional high rev.
High or best specs doesn't necessary mean suitable for everybody... to each his own butt and budget.
Right now my comforted butt says gold Mobil 1 0w40... over OWS and Liquid Moly.
SapphireSpite
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Very likely hehe
Baby1M;944879 said:
Very likely hehe
motorknut
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SG is high sulphur fuel, but plans are underway to lower this in the next couple of years. i forget the details, but should be moving to Euro standards, iirc.
LL04 should be fine for those who do short oil intervals. The fanatics that change every 6k are quite safe with LL04. you shouldn't be running the TBN too low with those intervals.
That said, i personally stick to LL01 too.
with regards to viscocity, i read that mobil 1 oil tends to thin out as you run it in your car, while castrol thickens. and some reason that's why these 40 and 30 oils are both BMW approved cos they meet in the middle eventually.
Red_Bean_Bun;944864 said:
SG is high sulphur fuel, but plans are underway to lower this in the next couple of years. i forget the details, but should be moving to Euro standards, iirc.
LL04 should be fine for those who do short oil intervals. The fanatics that change every 6k are quite safe with LL04. you shouldn't be running the TBN too low with those intervals.
That said, i personally stick to LL01 too.
with regards to viscocity, i read that mobil 1 oil tends to thin out as you run it in your car, while castrol thickens. and some reason that's why these 40 and 30 oils are both BMW approved cos they meet in the middle eventually.
Red_Bean_Bun
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Yup heard about that as well ..... would stick to LL01 in the meantime. If castrol thickens then this explains why there are feedback that for turbo cars it seem to manage heat well.....
Yup heard about that as well ..... would stick to LL01 in the meantime. If castrol thickens then this explains why there are feedback that for turbo cars it seem to manage heat well.....
motorknut;944923 said:
