This couple could ruin your day!!!
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C3P0
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Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
Don't like that lah, wait thread starter angry, his thread becomes KKN thread.
Ok, my version: Ken's Nips Now Bigger Compared C Bobby.
Can't think of what the second C means, but I'm sure you all can get what I mean.
Let me yellow-card myself first:
Don't like that lah, wait thread starter angry, his thread becomes KKN thread.
Ok, my version: Ken's Nips Now Bigger Compared C Bobby.
Can't think of what the second C means, but I'm sure you all can get what I mean.
Let me yellow-card myself first:
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
thread starter dun mind la.... he not even human.... wugui... Kungfu Panda's master master??C3P0;408859 said:Don't like that lah, wait thread starter angry, his thread becomes KKN thread.
Ok, my version: Ken's Nips Now Bigger Compared C Bobby.
Can't think of what the second C means, but I'm sure you all can get what I mean.
Let me yellow-card myself first:
Racebred
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Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
very interestingly just yesterday I was thinking about this tissue-reserving system. I've not tried it before as I always tarpao food back to office pantry to eat, but even so, I cannot understand why this system would be frowned upon by some. It's quite innovative...
1. It matches accurately supply to demand. The tissue packs are not put on seats that are not needed. In a long table of 6, if you see 4 packs, you can take the other 2.
2. It is of no difference to the latecomer if there's a tissue packet, sometimes its a laptop bag, sometimes its an umbrella, sometimes it's some files, on the table, than if its a human being stationed there sweeping his arms every 5 seconds "all these seats taken, sorry ah". You're still not going to get these seats anyways. Human beings = tissue packets. Serve the same purpose.
3. Saves time. The guy waiting at the table reserving seats for his friends will finish last and usually the whole gang stays back to wait for the colleague before walking back to office. So turnover faster = you wait shorter.
4. If you are eating alone, you will not have to carry your tray all around the food court like an idiot. Without this system, it will be hell for a single-luncher to buy food during lunch-rush hour. I certainly would not want to dine in a food court where there are several dozens of people carrying trays of hot soup waiting between isles with their eyes scanning the distance instead of eyeing their sliding soup bowls.
5. This reservation system is also employed in places like Marche, etc. Except that instead of tissue packs, you have your sign system. No practical difference here. Nobody complains about the Marche system.
6. It reduces ambiguity and arguments. Imagine 2 single-lunchers queueing at 2 different stalls, but eyeing the same vacant seat. Should they complete their purchases at the same time, they'll very certainly clash at the seat.
other than the fact that it's psychologically irritating to see packets instead of a human being, are there any practical cons to this system? If not, shouldnt the tissue system be encourged? I recently read that there was a courtesy movement done by some educational institutions, where the students went out to distribute free packets of tissue paper with words urging people not to reserve seats. I failed to see the point of doing that....? could someone pls enlighten me?
very interestingly just yesterday I was thinking about this tissue-reserving system. I've not tried it before as I always tarpao food back to office pantry to eat, but even so, I cannot understand why this system would be frowned upon by some. It's quite innovative...
1. It matches accurately supply to demand. The tissue packs are not put on seats that are not needed. In a long table of 6, if you see 4 packs, you can take the other 2.
2. It is of no difference to the latecomer if there's a tissue packet, sometimes its a laptop bag, sometimes its an umbrella, sometimes it's some files, on the table, than if its a human being stationed there sweeping his arms every 5 seconds "all these seats taken, sorry ah". You're still not going to get these seats anyways. Human beings = tissue packets. Serve the same purpose.
3. Saves time. The guy waiting at the table reserving seats for his friends will finish last and usually the whole gang stays back to wait for the colleague before walking back to office. So turnover faster = you wait shorter.
4. If you are eating alone, you will not have to carry your tray all around the food court like an idiot. Without this system, it will be hell for a single-luncher to buy food during lunch-rush hour. I certainly would not want to dine in a food court where there are several dozens of people carrying trays of hot soup waiting between isles with their eyes scanning the distance instead of eyeing their sliding soup bowls.
5. This reservation system is also employed in places like Marche, etc. Except that instead of tissue packs, you have your sign system. No practical difference here. Nobody complains about the Marche system.
6. It reduces ambiguity and arguments. Imagine 2 single-lunchers queueing at 2 different stalls, but eyeing the same vacant seat. Should they complete their purchases at the same time, they'll very certainly clash at the seat.
other than the fact that it's psychologically irritating to see packets instead of a human being, are there any practical cons to this system? If not, shouldnt the tissue system be encourged? I recently read that there was a courtesy movement done by some educational institutions, where the students went out to distribute free packets of tissue paper with words urging people not to reserve seats. I failed to see the point of doing that....? could someone pls enlighten me?
JLMC
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Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
eh.....tis 1 bery long huh?
can sorten abit for bengs like me to understand?
i need to chk dicky every few sentences...View attachment 20246
Racebred;409000 said:
eh.....tis 1 bery long huh?
can sorten abit for bengs like me to understand?
i need to chk dicky every few sentences...View attachment 20246
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
I think it is not the mere sight of tissue packs "choping" seats that turns many off. It could well be other things, as Racebred has mentioned. However, the key is the notion of "reservation" in advance when food is not even purchased. Who has the immediate need?
There will be three groups of people in a hawker centre - (1) patrons WITH food eating, (2) patrons WITH food searching for table, and (3) patrons who have yet to purchase food. The third group of patrons are the group cannibalising the available seats while those who have purchased food are deprived of a seat. If the seatings are public, then the rights should be accorded to those hunting for tables rather than those hunting for food (turnaround time should be faster for those with food to be accorded seats first, rather than "choped"-seats-then-buy crowd). This is made worse by the fact that most "chopers" act in a group, while single patrons are crowded out hunting for available seats ("sorry, all taken" mentality). Unless it is spelt out that table should be located first before ordering (as in the case of Marche), then it should be a first-food-come-first-serve basis. In any case, in Marche, there is an actual crowd control process in place.
While I agree to a certain extent the demand vs supply notion, it should be first-arrived needs matching first-arrived supply principle. While one could do a reservation via a restaurant (example Marche), the hawker centre or food court is a different proposition. Hence if I arrived to see an available lot, I should be able to enjoy parking in it, instead of giving it up because someone or something else (like a cone or chair or dustbin) is "reserving" it for another car.
You could perhaps see the same thing in the MRT, where some asses will put shopping bags on the chair instead of giving the seat to someone needy. Yes, you might be first to sit and let your shopping bags "sit" - but hey, who deserves it more?
I think it is not the mere sight of tissue packs "choping" seats that turns many off. It could well be other things, as Racebred has mentioned. However, the key is the notion of "reservation" in advance when food is not even purchased. Who has the immediate need?
There will be three groups of people in a hawker centre - (1) patrons WITH food eating, (2) patrons WITH food searching for table, and (3) patrons who have yet to purchase food. The third group of patrons are the group cannibalising the available seats while those who have purchased food are deprived of a seat. If the seatings are public, then the rights should be accorded to those hunting for tables rather than those hunting for food (turnaround time should be faster for those with food to be accorded seats first, rather than "choped"-seats-then-buy crowd). This is made worse by the fact that most "chopers" act in a group, while single patrons are crowded out hunting for available seats ("sorry, all taken" mentality). Unless it is spelt out that table should be located first before ordering (as in the case of Marche), then it should be a first-food-come-first-serve basis. In any case, in Marche, there is an actual crowd control process in place.
While I agree to a certain extent the demand vs supply notion, it should be first-arrived needs matching first-arrived supply principle. While one could do a reservation via a restaurant (example Marche), the hawker centre or food court is a different proposition. Hence if I arrived to see an available lot, I should be able to enjoy parking in it, instead of giving it up because someone or something else (like a cone or chair or dustbin) is "reserving" it for another car.
You could perhaps see the same thing in the MRT, where some asses will put shopping bags on the chair instead of giving the seat to someone needy. Yes, you might be first to sit and let your shopping bags "sit" - but hey, who deserves it more?
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
i think this "tissue choping seats" phenomenon only exists in Sg for the simple reason of Singaporeans being KIASU. In whatever that we (or most Sg'reans) do, we MUST be the first, whenever there's smth good, we MUST have a share of it etc etc.. We dun wanna lose out to others. Hence, in terms of seats, we MUST have a seat before buying food since everyone else is also doing the same, n if I dun, I wont get a seat fast enough after I buy my food n thus "losing out". however, i feel that tissue choping seats act is still acceptable albeit "very ugly", and frankly i dun see much of it anymore nowadays. ppl are probably too embarrassed to do it anymore, n thats a good thing.
but for the choping of parking lot..................... seriously. get a life. it's just like, when someone kills an ant, nobody thinks much of it, but when he kills a cat/human, den he shld be sent to jail (n ultimately hell) for it. i understand the Sg'reans "kiasu" mentality, but there shld be a limit. so what else r u gonna chop next?
i think this "tissue choping seats" phenomenon only exists in Sg for the simple reason of Singaporeans being KIASU. In whatever that we (or most Sg'reans) do, we MUST be the first, whenever there's smth good, we MUST have a share of it etc etc.. We dun wanna lose out to others. Hence, in terms of seats, we MUST have a seat before buying food since everyone else is also doing the same, n if I dun, I wont get a seat fast enough after I buy my food n thus "losing out". however, i feel that tissue choping seats act is still acceptable albeit "very ugly", and frankly i dun see much of it anymore nowadays. ppl are probably too embarrassed to do it anymore, n thats a good thing.
but for the choping of parking lot..................... seriously. get a life. it's just like, when someone kills an ant, nobody thinks much of it, but when he kills a cat/human, den he shld be sent to jail (n ultimately hell) for it. i understand the Sg'reans "kiasu" mentality, but there shld be a limit. so what else r u gonna chop next?
C3P0
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Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
I think Charlene was trying to say that chopping seats with tissue papers is ok, but standing at the lot and chopping it is too much. One is like killing an ant, the other one like killing a cat.
I have build a good rapport with Charlene already. Ken, you slow... :nehnehhh:
kenntona;409292 said:
I think Charlene was trying to say that chopping seats with tissue papers is ok, but standing at the lot and chopping it is too much. One is like killing an ant, the other one like killing a cat.
I have build a good rapport with Charlene already. Ken, you slow... :nehnehhh:
Breyton
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Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
+1.
I have witnessed patrons with food having no seats, while there are tables littered with tissue packs. In the time that the tissue-pack owners took to get their food, these patrons could very well have finished their food and gone on their way. I know because I have also witnessed some patrons actually finding a seat eventually, finished their food and gone off before even a ghost can be seen at these tissue-pack tables. Well, I hope I never see a ghost actually.
As for the 'quicker turn time' when everyone goes to get their food at the same time - just take a look at one of the coffee joints in CBD. Everyone orders and collects from the same counter - so must everyone go together? You still see these tissue packs at these places. Turn time is no quicker. In fact, turn time can actually be quicker if orders were consolidated instead of the cashier having to attend to each order for a cup of coffee individually.
kenntona;409278 said:
+1.
I have witnessed patrons with food having no seats, while there are tables littered with tissue packs. In the time that the tissue-pack owners took to get their food, these patrons could very well have finished their food and gone on their way. I know because I have also witnessed some patrons actually finding a seat eventually, finished their food and gone off before even a ghost can be seen at these tissue-pack tables. Well, I hope I never see a ghost actually.
As for the 'quicker turn time' when everyone goes to get their food at the same time - just take a look at one of the coffee joints in CBD. Everyone orders and collects from the same counter - so must everyone go together? You still see these tissue packs at these places. Turn time is no quicker. In fact, turn time can actually be quicker if orders were consolidated instead of the cashier having to attend to each order for a cup of coffee individually.
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
Principle should be - who comes first (not "who's coming"), who takes. And takes only what he deserves.
Else everyone can chope any public properties from hawker centre seats to parking lots (using "it's taken" or "coming later" excuses)......
Principle should be - who comes first (not "who's coming"), who takes. And takes only what he deserves.
Else everyone can chope any public properties from hawker centre seats to parking lots (using "it's taken" or "coming later" excuses)......
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
I guess the social-ethical part should be quite clear -
(1) finish your lunch fast, and let others use it - after all it is rush hour. I hate seeing people hogging the table and making you wait.....pretending that the table is a Cafe. Yes, it is your entitlement to use the table, but there is another side of it. This is akin to the road hogger who champion his right to keep to the speed limit....
(2) let others use any available resources. Your friend could have taken up 15 minutes to queue for the nasi lemak, meanwhile let someone take that chair and finish his food. Else, it will be the same case as the gal who choped the parking lot and say, "my friend is coming."
Yes. We are talking about Golden Shoe high-traffic peak hours, where many executives are trying to complete their meals in a fast and furious manner within the 1-1.5 hour timeslot..... Imagine those single pax or twin pax type...... no chance to get a table because those 4-5 pax type will crowd them out by saying "this table taken"......Racebred said:
I guess the social-ethical part should be quite clear -
(1) finish your lunch fast, and let others use it - after all it is rush hour. I hate seeing people hogging the table and making you wait.....pretending that the table is a Cafe. Yes, it is your entitlement to use the table, but there is another side of it. This is akin to the road hogger who champion his right to keep to the speed limit....
(2) let others use any available resources. Your friend could have taken up 15 minutes to queue for the nasi lemak, meanwhile let someone take that chair and finish his food. Else, it will be the same case as the gal who choped the parking lot and say, "my friend is coming."
Re: This couple could ruin your day!!!
in my humble opinion, i disagree that the tissue system is intepreted as being kiasu, everything we must be 1st. it is more of putting our "personal interests" 1st, making our lives easier. as such, people search for empty seats and use the tissue packet to reserve before joining the queue to buy food instead of buying food 1st and then searching for an empty seat "thinking long term". it is the "culture" that when somebody sees a tissue packet on an empty seat at the food court, it means that the seat has already been "reserved" and he/she should not remove the tissue and happily occupy the seat unless he/she wants to start a "war".
in my humble opinion, i disagree that the tissue system is intepreted as being kiasu, everything we must be 1st. it is more of putting our "personal interests" 1st, making our lives easier. as such, people search for empty seats and use the tissue packet to reserve before joining the queue to buy food instead of buying food 1st and then searching for an empty seat "thinking long term". it is the "culture" that when somebody sees a tissue packet on an empty seat at the food court, it means that the seat has already been "reserved" and he/she should not remove the tissue and happily occupy the seat unless he/she wants to start a "war".
