check out the profit margins made by our local car distributors.

saifywaify

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hey guys,

take a look at this link below. it displays a cost breakdown of cars imported into singapore.

example, pml makes slightly more than $76,000 on a 630ci. amazing..

the basic cost for the ferrari f430 f1, without coe, is $473,121. hmm, if i'm not wrong, they're asking close to $800,000 for that car. That's almost $330,000 of profit.

enjoy!

http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publi..._cost.MainPar.0019.File.tmp/Car_Cost_2005.pdf

saify
 
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not entirely accurate. sometimes, dealers fit options locally instead, therefore the cost of those parts are not reflected in the OMV of the vehicle when customs does the calculations. for example, i was told that Alfa Romeos have locally fitted leather, so you're not gonna have that factored into the initial OMV. other pricey options fitted locally may include your navigation systems, internal trimmings, reverse sensors, rims, body kit, fogs, car alarms and i think sunroof for some jap cars, etc. i've heard abt locally fitted HID too, but i may be wrong.

lower OMV results in lower ARF, import tax and GST and thus seemingly lower cost of the car. aside from the locally fitted options, many dealers also factor in cost of servicing and warranty into the final sticker price as well.

nevertheless, no one's denying that dealers enjoy hefty margins.
 
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Besides the locally fitted items as mentioned by Louis, the dealers will have to cover the cost of premises, salesperson, utilities, cost of holding parts inventory, etc.. Their margins shoudl be decent but not hefty, IMO.
 
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I always hv this feeling that luxury makes like BM n Merc did not lower their price when the arf was first reduced in 02 and then again in 04. Is this true? Somehow I feel part of these reductions went to their profit margin instead...
 
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saifywaify said:
example, pml makes slightly more than $76,000 on a 630ci. amazing..

saify

making so much money yet having the WORST AFTERSALES in the entire Singapore.. NNB... and i m still owning a bimmer... NNB+GG.
 
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my (perhaps misplaced) belief has always been a $40k gross margin for entry level mid-size 'luxury' saloons. heard the same from a tts se a few years ago. took a quick glance at your link: spot on for e200ml $42k and 523i $43k (assuming 180 for n.a.). both before loan rebates, corporate discount, haggling etc.



saifywaify said:
hey guys,

take a look at this link below. it displays a cost breakdown of cars imported into singapore.

example, pml makes slightly more than $76,000 on a 630ci. amazing..

the basic cost for the ferrari f430 f1, without coe, is $473,121. hmm, if i'm not wrong, they're asking close to $800,000 for that car. That's almost $330,000 of profit.

enjoy!

http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publi..._cost.MainPar.0019.File.tmp/Car_Cost_2005.pdf

saify
 
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I'm pretty sure my previous dealer in Canada didn't earn as much. I bought the 3er for around CDN$45K before taxes... Wonder what gives local dealers the right to charge so much.
 
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Saify, thanks. This is interesting to know.
 
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jaskin,

lack of competition i suppose, since we only have one BMW dealer here.
 
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Profit margin of $40,000 per car for a Beemer is normal. Throw in perhaps a few options such as sat nav and alloy rims and the profit margin goes down to perhaps $35,000 thereabouts. Singapore specced cars are usually very low/poor/bare for obvious reasons.

Obviously there's overheads but still, I think its ridiculous to pay so much for less than desirable service. Well I wouldn't pay so much even if the service is out of the world. Just my 2 cabriolets worth :whattheh: :lol2:
 
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one can always go to a parallel importer, or import one car in on our own. Plenty of alternatives out there.

If we have willingly gone to a local dealer without having a gun pointed to your head and purchased a car, then i believe there's really no cause to KBKB about the profits earned. It's like biting your own tongue.

anyone share my views?
 
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Yes I share your view. Always liked the idea of self import
 
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Racebred said:
If we have willingly gone to a local dealer without having a gun pointed to your head..


true.

I guess the KPKB ones would find the price justifiablable if the service was top notch. That's why we pay $400k more for Hong Seh ah....hahah..

But seriously, it can't be all bad right? I'm sure there are enough ppl with good experiences from the service. Have to filter out those fellas who try to act blur and shift blame also ma..
 
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Racebred said:
one can always go to a parallel importer, or import one car in on our own. Plenty of alternatives out there.

If we have willingly gone to a local dealer without having a gun pointed to your head and purchased a car, then i believe there's really no cause to KBKB about the profits earned. It's like biting your own tongue.

anyone share my views?
I'd think so too. It is a case of myopic view that there is only a single supply source. Okay, other than the warranty clause, what else is different - especially when you are modding your car anyways? Perhaps it is a case that there is no well-known PI for bimmers?

Many owners want a peaceful mind, knowing that a car bought from a local distributor enjoys certain warranty and service "quality." The latter is subjective. Ask a typical housewife driving a 318i if she would have imported her car and her answer would be NO. Perhaps she does not know the procedure, or perhaps she wants everything to be assured - PML will be there - just pay the price. Does she know that she is paying a premium accounted into PML's margin. Of course. But she would still have bought and service her car there with ease.

Having said that, anyone knows a good PI for BMWs?
 
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louis said:
not entirely accurate. sometimes, dealers fit options locally instead, therefore the cost of those parts are not reflected in the OMV of the vehicle when customs does the calculations. for example, i was told that Alfa Romeos have locally fitted leather, so you're not gonna have that factored into the initial OMV. other pricey options fitted locally may include your navigation systems, internal trimmings, reverse sensors, rims, body kit, fogs, car alarms and i think sunroof for some jap cars, etc. i've heard abt locally fitted HID too, but i may be wrong.

lower OMV results in lower ARF, import tax and GST and thus seemingly lower cost of the car. aside from the locally fitted options, many dealers also factor in cost of servicing and warranty into the final sticker price as well.

nevertheless, no one's denying that dealers enjoy hefty margins.

hey :)

yes, you have a point. however, when we paid for our extra options on our cars, we had to fork out way more than the base price of the option overseas. when i asked my salesgirl about this, she said that this is because the hike of the omv is incorporated into the price.

maybe the fitting of sensors, sunroofs and xenon lights locally are applicable to japanese cars only. but then again, you'd notice that their profit margins are nominal, sometimes even less than $10,000 per car. take into account that they also provide a 3 year warranty, some even with free servicing. also, remember that companies like tan chong and borneo motors have a much larger salesforce, premises and network than pml, so their overheads must be higher.

but then again, i'd like to come back to the only point that matters; i wouldn't care how much they made if they provided top-notch service. unfortunately, that's not happening right now.

hopefully after the multitude of surveys pml is organizing (i've received two calls from them), they'll actually study their poor results and buck up.

with that in mind, i noticed that borneo makes about $100,000 on the ls430. makes me wonder why they've priced it that way. would it be just to place the car in a league closer to the s-class, 7er and xj? i suppose if they cut off $50,000 from that margin, and placed it in a range closer to the mid-sized executive sedans, they might be able to win over a good number of e-class buyers.

what do you guys think?
 
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interesting thread, although i think we've been down this path before in previous discussions

firstly, not everyone mods their cars.

secondly, PIs may not be willing to bring in some cars, especially those that require homologation.

thirdly, do correct me if i'm mistaken, but a car dealer does more than sell you the car isn't it? the dealer assumes responsibility for providing after sales service, trouble shooting, sale of accessories, is involved in recalls and regular updates for software and navigation system amongst other things. with respect to BMWs, during the recent tech talk, i was told that there's some stuff that only the dealer can do, especially wrt electronics and programming, or like the tropical spec thingy for our cars(apparently there are some physical modifications and electronic tweaking involved in this)... so despite the fact that there exists more than a single source of BMWs in singapore, in essence, there is only one dealer, PML, that can provide the complete BMW experience. assuming that PIs and self-importers are able to offer the official BMW dealer true competition is too simplistic a view to take IMHO.

in summary, i agree that buying from PML is a willing buyer, willing seller situation. I disagree that there are alternatives to the BMW experience. PI and self-import are compromises, not true alternatives.
 
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My other concern( well sort of....) is if the local authorized agents will welcome car owners for a drive/track day if I dont buy the car from them...

I know PML doesn't...

Any idea if Stuttgart Auto , Hong Seh, C&C etc etc do ?
 
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louis said:
firstly, not everyone mods their cars.
True, but still does not qualify for the fact that those who has the intention of modding their rides still buy them from distributors. I know of fellow forumers who chipped or tuned their cars less than 2 years in running with all such performance or handling mods that PML would have voided the warranty anyways. And they ended up relying on external workshops to do the servicing or tuning. Economically speaking, they are worse off buying the car from the distributor. Nonetheless they did so. And perhaps will do so again. Why? Perceived dependence for major technical issue is one. But lack of credible PI contacts is another. Had there a reliable PI "endorsed" somewhat by fellow forumers (much like we point to those workshops on our panel), there might be a guiding light for those seeking alternative supply source.

louis said:
...... but a car dealer does more than sell you the car isn't it? the dealer assumes responsibility for providing after sales service, trouble shooting, sale of accessories, is involved in recalls and regular updates for software and navigation system amongst other things. with respect to BMWs, during the recent tech talk, i was told that there's some stuff that only the dealer can do, especially wrt electronics and programming, or like the tropical spec thingy for our cars(apparently there are some physical modifications and electronic tweaking involved in this)... so despite the fact that there exists more than a single source of BMWs in singapore, in essence, there is only one dealer, PML, that can provide the complete BMW experience. assuming that PIs and self-importers are able to offer the official BMW dealer true competition is too simplistic a view to take IMHO.
Exactly my point. You are paying a premium for a peaceful mind. This reminds me of the commercial on air that the wife complains to the husband for not taking their "baby" to C&C for servicing and repairs...... No complaint about their margin if the insurance is what owners are looking for......
 
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saifywaify said:
with that in mind, i noticed that borneo makes about $100,000 on the ls430

Actually its less than that. The OMV is severly depressed for obvious reasons. The total cost in bringing in a car is usually higher than what is reflected in the PDF file found in Onemotoring.
 
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Brandons said:
Yes I share your view. Always liked the idea of self import

Hey man, any experience bringing in ur own car?
 

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