Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

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It is used for covering up stoves to separate them from tiled walls to prevent cracking. Therefore I think it will have many uses in our engine bay. One of it is the insulation of airbox. I am still thinking of other uses.

But there will need to be a layer of insulation material like foam or cotten in between the airbox and the engine for it to work properly. Or use air also can.

Will update what I did when it's done.
 
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Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Why didn't BMW think of this!
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Because there is no need for this. I am doing it because I need to satisfy my desire to change things up.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Gong xi Gong xi!! on your new air intake system bro, with this +10 more pony.. keke:dance:

Meow~
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Bro , make sure the insulation is not polyfoam, or normal cotton wool sheet.
It need to be high temp like rock wool , mineral wool, fiberglass, calcium silicate.... for safety purpose.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Most probably using air. Will leave air gaps between. Just like how bmw does it
 
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If u wrap those bare aluminium plate on intake filter, i can tell you save it because aluminium was high heat conduction and it will heat up your intake box and rise up temperature , same as intake pipe, it's best use ABS plastic compare with aluminium/copper/stainless steel pipe(without thermal insulation).
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

No that's not the purpose. I am using it to create a barrier. Aluminum is heat conductive and the shiny surface reflects heat. It is not to wrap around. I will leave a 0.5mm air gap between the intake box. The side facing the engine will be silver and the side facing the intake will be painted black.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

alvinado;1074514 said:
No that's not the purpose. I am using it to create a barrier. Aluminum is heat conductive and the shiny surface reflects heat. It is not to wrap around. I will leave a 0.5mm air gap between the intake box. The side facing the engine will be silver and the side facing the intake will be painted black.

Man, BMW don't need this hehe. Heat will be radiated. 0.1mm till 10mm, same thing.

But for DIY , it's good project for knowing your car.
 
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Lol. I personally just wanna do this to know my girlfriend better. It probably doesn't need it.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

alvinado;1074523 said:
Lol. I personally just wanna do this to know my girlfriend better. It probably doesn't need it.

Same same me, hand always itchy to grab spanner open here n there. But it's a good habit.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

Look under the car along the way and see if got anywhere to install more heat shields. I put one above my rear differentials .......

Maybe can put one to reflect the heat away from an OCC (if installed) or turbo .....
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

alvinado;1074514 said:
No that's not the purpose. I am using it to create a barrier. Aluminum is heat conductive and the shiny surface reflects heat. It is not to wrap around. I will leave a 0.5mm air gap between the intake box. The side facing the engine will be silver and the side facing the intake will be painted black.


You need to appreciate the heat transfer dynamics within the engine in order to make an effective heat shield. If you remember, heat transfer occurs through 3 way - conduction, convection, radiation. Conduction which is an heated part of the engine bay or hot air touching a cold part of the engine bay or colder air. Convection which is the way gases within the engine bay and/or from the outside carrying/removing heat from one part of the engine bay to another. And radiation which is the transfer of heat via EM waves.

To your choice of aluminium sheet for the barrier, assuming the conduction and convection variables are constant, what affects the heat transfer coefficient of EM waves passing through any media is in large part the (i) colour and (ii) smoothness of the surface. As there is no light within the visible spectrum inside a closed engine bay to be "reflected" (eg. the excitation of incoming electrons to a higher energy level and being emitted as light when these electrons drop back down to a lower energy level), radiation is in this case is mainly IR. For IR, it is true that your aluminium plate on its own basis represents a shiny or smooth surface (which has no little surface cavities to trap extra EM waves) to easily "reflect" IR compared to a dull and rough surface. However, you need to consider two further points - the smooth surface of the aluminium plate can easily be replicated by a lot of other heat-stable materials, with much lower conductivity than Aluminium; and the majority of heat being transferred within the hot engine bay is mainly through conduction and convection.

While the idea of creating an air pocket is good, bear in mind that your proposed 0.5mm gap of air will easily be heated up by the hot aluminium plate because of its high thermal conductivity, thus losing all the benefits of the air insulation. Moreover, with the differential pressures and vibrations within the engine bay, it would be a challenge for thin aluminium plate with its low structural rigidity to maintain its shape and hence the 0.5mm gap (not that 0.5mm is a huge enough gap to slow down any heat transfer in the first place).

Much R&D efforts have been put into thermal wraps and heat shields in the racing industry. In your case, just take a trip down to places like Garage R or even online. You will find that most good heat shielding products are made of materials with low heat-conductivity HR foam, with a thin layer of highly reflective coating on top just to eliminate the last bits of IR. Better designs actually make use of convection, rather than a stagnant trapped layer of air, to produce an "air-cooled" box that really creates a cool reservoir of air around the intake.

Good DIY effort. Cheers.
 
Re: Bought this at $1.50, pseudo heat shield.

seanskye;1074565 said:
You need to appreciate the heat transfer dynamics within the engine in order to make an effective heat shield. If you remember, heat transfer occurs through 3 way - conduction, convection, radiation. Conduction which is an heated part of the engine bay or hot air touching a cold part of the engine bay or colder air. Convection which is the way gases within the engine bay and/or from the outside carrying/removing heat from one part of the engine bay to another. And radiation which is the transfer of heat via EM waves.

To your choice of aluminium sheet for the barrier, assuming the conduction and convection variables are constant, what affects the heat transfer coefficient of EM waves passing through any media is in large part the (i) colour and (ii) smoothness of the surface. As there is no light within the visible spectrum inside a closed engine bay to be "reflected" (eg. the excitation of incoming electrons to a higher energy level and being emitted as light when these electrons drop back down to a lower energy level), radiation is in this case is mainly IR. For IR, it is true that your aluminium plate on its own basis represents a shiny or smooth surface (which has no little surface cavities to trap extra EM waves) to easily "reflect" IR compared to a dull and rough surface. However, you need to consider two further points - the smooth surface of the aluminium plate can easily be replicated by a lot of other heat-stable materials, with much lower conductivity than Aluminium; and the majority of heat being transferred within the hot engine bay is mainly through conduction and convection.

While the idea of creating an air pocket is good, bear in mind that your proposed 0.5mm gap of air will easily be heated up by the hot aluminium plate because of its high thermal conductivity, thus losing all the benefits of the air insulation. Moreover, with the differential pressures and vibrations within the engine bay, it would be a challenge for thin aluminium plate with its low structural rigidity to maintain its shape and hence the 0.5mm gap (not that 0.5mm is a huge enough gap to slow down any heat transfer in the first place).

Much R&D efforts have been put into thermal wraps and heat shields in the racing industry. In your case, just take a trip down to places like Garage R or even online. You will find that most good heat shielding products are made of materials with low heat-conductivity HR foam, with a thin layer of highly reflective coating on top just to eliminate the last bits of IR. Better designs actually make use of convection, rather than a stagnant trapped layer of air, to produce an "air-cooled" box that really creates a cool reservoir of air around the intake.

Good DIY effort. Cheers.

Wow, Thanks for this. Learned a lot.
 

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