Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

whymehor

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in short, most of us more or less screwed...

Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Why more Singaporeans are asset-rich but cash-strapped.

A common gripe amongst many Singaporeans is that they have to spend their savings to pay off home loans and by the time they retire, they find themselves struggling financially as their savings have dried up.

The situation is even more desperate as over 80 percent of Singaporeans live in HDB flats and even though many aren’t high-income earners, they need to pay very high mortgages.

“If an average-income earner buys a new four-room flat, for instance, he may have to pay upwards of S$300,000, while a five-room flat can cost upwards of half a million dollars. By the time he finishes paying his mortgage, he will be close to retirement age and won't have much left in his CPF (Central Provident Fund),” said 62-year-old retiree David Lim.

Elderly Are Suffering

He added that many retirees and midde-aged Singaporeans find it harder to get jobs and as for younger flat buyers, they will be retired or at least middle-aged by the time they fully pay off their mortgages. Hence, they “will be asset-rich but cash-poor, unless government policies change,” added Lim.

Agreeing with this, property consultant Getty Goh told The PropertyGuru that “it is foreseeable that there could be some issues for Singaporeans who wish to retire in future,” given the high HDB prices.

He was quick to add that the government is rolling out several schemes in aid of “those looking to monetise their HDB flats”. These schemes include the Silver Housing Bonus Scheme and the Lease Buyback Scheme (LBS), which may be used to supplement retirement funds.

However, Goh is aware that owners’ reluctance to sell their flats could be an impediment to the schemes. Many Singaporeans consider their flats “a home and a lot of sentimental value is attached to it,” which is the main reason why the LBS received a low take-up rate.

Schemes Not Working?

Lim is doubtful if such schemes will address the problem effectively, saying “in theory, this sounds good. But in practice, it's different”.

“If a five-room flat owner downgrades to a four-room flat, the actual profit is only about S$100,000, given the high prices of HDB flats these days. Average- to low-income earners are likely to have to contribute this amount, as well as the government bonus, to their retirement accounts / CPF minimum sum, which cannot be touched until they reach 55. During the waiting time, they are cash-poor.”

Even if the owner gets access to his retirement funds, he will still remain cash-poor, “because the money will be tied up for the next 10 years while the government places it into an annuity till they are 65, whereby they will receive monthly handouts from it, which do not amount to much,” noted Lim.

As such, he feels an owner will still be asset-rich but cash-poor, whether he takes advantage of the Silver Housing Bonus or not.

Goh believes another reason why the elderly are not keen to downgrade is that they “feel that it is not financially worthwhile to downgrade presently”.

“Even though they are able to fetch a premium for their flats currently, they in turn would have to pay a high price for their replacement flats. Unless there is a cheaper and more attractive housing alternative, response for the Silver Housing Scheme will likely be as lukewarm as the LBS.”

Lim said that “those who are not yet middle- or retirement-aged will also remain asset-rich but cash-poor, unless one is living in a HDB flat left to him by his parents and happens to be a high-income earner, for example”.

What more can be done?

When queried on how this issue could be solved, Goh highlighted the government’s efforts to provide studio apartments for the elderly since 1997, but suggested that the government could do more by “increasing the supply of studio flats for sale and educating the elderly on the financial benefits of downgrading”.

Citing HDB’s annual report, Goh noted that total bookings for studio apartments between 2010 and 2011 reached 1,413, far below the 169,866 economically inactive Singaporeans above 65 years of age, based on Census 2010.

“If we use that as an indication of the magnitude of potential retirees, at a steady rate, the number of new studio flats would have to significantly increase to meet the potential demand,” noted Goh.

“At the end of the day, if the elderly are reluctant to cash-out and insist on holding on to their units, the issue of being asset-rich and cash-poor would still remain unresolved.”
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

It is not even asset rich.

Going by net asset basis, most owns nothing, except revaluation gains. And for those who own leasehold properties (HDB or condos), eventually everything goes back to the government - you cannot even pass it down to your great grand son.....
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Singaporeans are firstly 'interest-rich'. They just keep paying interests. Those who had finished paying their interests and principals can then be covered by Kenn's classification.

Singaporeans is a borrowed bunch. From cars to properties. These assets all have their maturities. Many just don't see them or pretend not to see them.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

DrK;812022 said:
Singaporeans is a borrowed bunch. From cars to properties. These assets all have their maturities. Many just don't see them or pretend not to see them.

True, but what's the alternative? Not own property, or only buy freehold landed houses? Not buy cars even with cash, simply because there's a COE system?
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Need to own assets that can be converted into cash at least to get out of this cycle
And roll it till you die, since many cant finish paying all the interest, let alone principle
at least die happier
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Oilman;812036 said:
True, but what's the alternative? Not own property, or only buy freehold landed houses? Not buy cars even with cash, simply because there's a COE system?

I wish I knew. I wasn't part of the 60.1% and I surely didn't vote for a COE system. :D

At least I like the spore tax rate. That is a bonus. Kudos garment!
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

1) HDB 'owners' are never e 'owner' of e unit they purchased. In fact, they are just paying upfront e amount for an entire 99yrs least as a tenant of HDB... they r e landlord.

2) HDB 'owners' r not given any share of e title deed, they r only given rights or 'ownership' of e specific unit. Land title deed is still held by HDB... looking further belong to e government.
On e other hand, in private property owners has e title deed e.g. private condos each will have allocated share portion.

3) HDB 'owners' has no rights (including e RC) to voice out or decide what e Town Council does with your monthly money paid ... there's no right to stop or sack e Town Council for any action done w/o resident's permission.
On e other hand, in private property, e MA (e.g. Town Council) cannot do as they please with e money (contributed monthly) as they only act on behalf of e MC (e.g. RC) who in turn is acting on behalf of e residents with their consent. Residents can call for an EGM to stop, sack or whatever if e MC or MA does stuff w/o e majority consent.

By looking just at e above simple 3 points (there r more), does e HDB unit really belong to the buyer? Nope.
Unlike e days gone by, e current government's convincing words does make alot believe they actually own e HDB unit they purchased. Therefore "asset rich" is nothing but just BS especially when it does not even belong to e 'owner', e term is just providing e "shiok feeling".

Finally, yes, currently many Singapore citizens is now 'SingaPoor", gone r e days of old.

Please enlighten/educate me on any of e above 3 points if I am incorrect.
 
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Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Thats the best way for a gov to control the pple, make the pple LPPL, then give grants and subsidies to the people and 60.1% of the people worship them like god.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

XXX;812116 said:
Thats the best way for a gov to control the pple, make the pple LPPL, then give grants and subsidies to the people and 60.1% of the people worship them like god.

Master and slave?














cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

We have to thank the 60.1.

Now, some one please hand me the lubricant - because it's time to take it up where the sun don't shine..... again
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

DrK;812050 said:
I wish I knew. I wasn't part of the 60.1% and I surely didn't vote for a COE system. :D

Ya man. COE is pretty much irreversible - it'll be utter chaos to repeal. Singapore just keeps pwning itself with half-baked policies :furious:

The way the government is pushing old people to downgrade their lives shows it has run out of ideas as the cost of living rises. CPF, LBS... stop spinning already dammit!
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

All pension funds are the same.... they just wish that there is no mass withdrawals at the end of the day.... thus with aging population, the government has to think of the way for withdrawals, if not they have to find ways to make sure more workers to contribute to the CPF.... If not, temasek and GIC will have hard time to find the money to repay CPF..

So the mass intake on the so called FTs and increases in minimum sum.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Baby1M;812078 said:
1) HDB 'owners' are never e 'owner' of e unit they purchased. In fact, they are just paying upfront e amount for an entire 99yrs least as a tenant of HDB... they r e landlord.

2) HDB 'owners' r not given any share of e title deed, they r only given rights or 'ownership' of e specific unit. Land title deed is still held by HDB... looking further belong to e government.
On e other hand, in private property owners has e title deed e.g. private condos each will have allocated share portion.

3) HDB 'owners' has no rights (including e RC) to voice out or decide what e Town Council does with your monthly money paid ... there's no right to stop or sack e Town Council for any action done w/o resident's permission.
On e other hand, in private property, e MA (e.g. Town Council) cannot do as they please with e money (contributed monthly) as they only act on behalf of e MC (e.g. RC) who in turn is acting on behalf of e residents with their consent. Residents can call for an EGM to stop, sack or whatever if e MC or MA does stuff w/o e majority consent.

By looking just at e above simple 3 points (there r more), does e HDB unit really belong to the buyer? Nope.
Unlike e days gone by, e current government's convincing words does make alot believe they actually own e HDB unit they purchased. Therefore "asset rich" is nothing but just BS especially when it does not even belong to e 'owner', e term is just providing e "shiok feeling".

Finally, yes, currently many Singapore citizens is now 'SingaPoor", gone r e days of old.

Please enlighten/educate me on any of e above 3 points if I am incorrect.

on point 1,arent those who bought the private properties with only 99yr leased in the same precadiment as well?
then again,in a land-scarce country,without seriously tackling the population issue that has existed for years,its hard to see singapore as a place to settle down as it was once used to be....
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

I'm already so sick of living in SGP, that I detest whatever the govt's proposing & doing. All objections come to no use, as "we will all be kindly asked to simply, just move on. Suck thumb suck dick.. thank you for your feedback. Things will still go our way"

Typical way of life in SGP.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

whymehor;812354 said:
on point 1,arent those who bought the private properties with only 99yr leased in the same precadiment as well......
In a way, yes, I totally agree.
However there's still a difference as one is forever a tenant and e other is owner once there's no longer mortgage... other issues as stated below in points 2 & 3 and a few others not listed, is also a result of this difference.

With regard to public housing & 99yr private property: en-block. It is world's apart with regard to voting power, individual share, market rate, etc etc.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

MeltheDude;812776 said:
I'm already so sick of living in SGP, that I detest whatever the govt's proposing & doing. All objections come to no use, as "we will all be kindly asked to simply, just move on. Suck thumb suck dick.. thank you for your feedback. Things will still go our way"

Typical way of life in SGP.
Same predicament I have. I just make e best I can to continue to live here. Am already at the edge where I may just jump ship to another country but SG being my birth place and I served my duties as a male, I am giving it a little bit of hope.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

Same, thinking and finding possibilties of relocating, only thing holding me back is my parents. Wow its seems many are planning to leave. Good Luck Singapore.
 
Re: Are we ‘Singa-poor'?

The only good thing here is the safe environment and low tax rate.... Gd for elite.
 

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