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Careful of This 318IS
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Red_Bean_Bun
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Re: Careful of This 318IS
There's a saying that perception is reality. But if you delineate the two, the intentions look very different - A true civic minded person would say that since the car is wrecked, it should not be used by another person. It should be scrapped.
In his case, the reality is that since the car is wrecked, he thought he should sell it away to a dealer which of course will have to resell it knowing that the dealer is not in the business pro bono. Then he creates the perception of being civic minded by warning everyone not to buy it.
At the same time, he drew attention to the fact that the dealer is going to make more money than he should because he sold it to the dealer on the cheap.
So is he trying to be civic minded about the car or is he warning us about the unscrupulous dealer or is he not happy with the fact that he got so little for the car and that he should have sold the car himself ?
Mockngbrd;494789 said:
There's a saying that perception is reality. But if you delineate the two, the intentions look very different - A true civic minded person would say that since the car is wrecked, it should not be used by another person. It should be scrapped.
In his case, the reality is that since the car is wrecked, he thought he should sell it away to a dealer which of course will have to resell it knowing that the dealer is not in the business pro bono. Then he creates the perception of being civic minded by warning everyone not to buy it.
At the same time, he drew attention to the fact that the dealer is going to make more money than he should because he sold it to the dealer on the cheap.
So is he trying to be civic minded about the car or is he warning us about the unscrupulous dealer or is he not happy with the fact that he got so little for the car and that he should have sold the car himself ?
longhorn
Well-Known Member
Re: Careful of This 318IS
Well let me offer another possibility.
A wrecks his car. So A sells his car to B at a below market price taking into acct that car has been wrecked before. Life goes on...
Few months later, A sees car put up on the market at a price that does not reflect the fact that it was wrecked before. So A does what he can to warn others.
Nothing wrong with that I say.
Hey wait a minute!!! You are not B are you? Hmmmn your intentions are ambigous to me.....
Red_Bean_Bun;494787 said:
Well let me offer another possibility.
A wrecks his car. So A sells his car to B at a below market price taking into acct that car has been wrecked before. Life goes on...
Few months later, A sees car put up on the market at a price that does not reflect the fact that it was wrecked before. So A does what he can to warn others.
Nothing wrong with that I say.
Why you say this? If car has been repaired and is roadworthy, I don't see why it should be scrapped. Who are we to judge whether another person should or shouldn't drive a repaired wrecked car?Red_Bean_Bun;494805 said:
Hey wait a minute!!! You are not B are you? Hmmmn your intentions are ambigous to me.....
kelvinyong
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Re: Careful of This 318IS
Hi Longhorn,
I agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the car is safe to drive, its ok to sell. but since it's wrecked, morally speaking it shouldnt be sold at gd condition price.
Hi Longhorn,
I agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the car is safe to drive, its ok to sell. but since it's wrecked, morally speaking it shouldnt be sold at gd condition price.
Red_Bean_Bun
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Re: Careful of This 318IS
No, I am not B. And I do scrap cars I owned that have been wrecked. My view which you do not subscribe to is this - If the frame of the car have been compromised to the point that wheels are sticking out for example then whoever that buys this car off the second market would be driving with a car with a much higher exposure to risks. That is my main point and why some of my family members refuse to buy second hand cars and insist on that.
longhorn;494996 said:
No, I am not B. And I do scrap cars I owned that have been wrecked. My view which you do not subscribe to is this - If the frame of the car have been compromised to the point that wheels are sticking out for example then whoever that buys this car off the second market would be driving with a car with a much higher exposure to risks. That is my main point and why some of my family members refuse to buy second hand cars and insist on that.
Red_Bean_Bun
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Re: Careful of This 318IS
Its all about risk mitigation. Its definitely not as safe as it was before the accident.
Would you put your kids in the car ? The seller obviously will not....else why would he sell the car even at a lower price ?
kelvinyong;495042 said:Hi Longhorn,
I agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the car is safe to drive, its ok to sell. but since it's wrecked, morally speaking it shouldnt be sold at gd condition price.
Its all about risk mitigation. Its definitely not as safe as it was before the accident.
Would you put your kids in the car ? The seller obviously will not....else why would he sell the car even at a lower price ?
longhorn
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Re: Careful of This 318IS
i note ur comment abt scrapping your own wrecked cars. I applaud that. But pls don't impose your own values on others.
you r incorrect. if the above is your view, then I agree with your view. read my post again carefully. what i disagree with u is that it is not up to us to tell others how much a risk he/she wants to take. if one knowingly buys a wrecked car at a cheap price knowing he is taking a higher risk, it is not for me to preach.Red_Bean_Bun;495117 said:
i note ur comment abt scrapping your own wrecked cars. I applaud that. But pls don't impose your own values on others.
Re: Careful of This 318IS
Actually I dun understand why futron sell 12K knowing the ride was wraped & now that the buyer did so much to the car trying sell 29K to make a profit is wrong? Is good that futron warn us, so when we go buy, we make sure the ride is worth. If not happy dun buy. I think wrecked condition alot of level, not necessary all wrecked car must scrap. Serious accident also alot level, if futron can fetch 12K then the car confirm can use on the road. Btw E36 has it value & if can, i guess any driver will not scrap it but re-built & sell.
so who is responsible for selling a wrecked car & put it on the road again? futron at 12K or the "dealer" re-built, renew COE & sell 29K.
Actually I dun understand why futron sell 12K knowing the ride was wraped & now that the buyer did so much to the car trying sell 29K to make a profit is wrong? Is good that futron warn us, so when we go buy, we make sure the ride is worth. If not happy dun buy. I think wrecked condition alot of level, not necessary all wrecked car must scrap. Serious accident also alot level, if futron can fetch 12K then the car confirm can use on the road. Btw E36 has it value & if can, i guess any driver will not scrap it but re-built & sell.
so who is responsible for selling a wrecked car & put it on the road again? futron at 12K or the "dealer" re-built, renew COE & sell 29K.
Re: Careful of This 318IS
i have enough of it. first of all if anyone think that i bought a cheap car think again, i am buying a so call wreck car at $5k plus drep and others that are selling is asking at $6k plus drep, do all of u think its is cheap enough to buy a total wreck? second he did not tell me its a total wreck before buying, when i test drove the car he even told me the noise coming from the back is from the batt. he think i am stupid or what i know it was involved in a accident but not to the extend of a total wreck. third if anyone have seen the car from the fultonsim and see the car from me now knows how much i have done to it. and last i am the owner of the car and not a dealer i have a log card to prove it.
i have enough of it. first of all if anyone think that i bought a cheap car think again, i am buying a so call wreck car at $5k plus drep and others that are selling is asking at $6k plus drep, do all of u think its is cheap enough to buy a total wreck? second he did not tell me its a total wreck before buying, when i test drove the car he even told me the noise coming from the back is from the batt. he think i am stupid or what i know it was involved in a accident but not to the extend of a total wreck. third if anyone have seen the car from the fultonsim and see the car from me now knows how much i have done to it. and last i am the owner of the car and not a dealer i have a log card to prove it.
Re: Careful of This 318IS
+1 , alot pple say my E36 like mense red... :errrrrrr:pengful;496598 said:So how does it drive now? Anything wrong with the alignment, body structure, etc? If nothing wrong to you then all's cool. Nevermind other's perception whether it is a wreck or not.
A bimmer is still a bimmer...
nimo
Well-Known Member
Re: Careful of This 318IS
i uploaded a video on YT how a 'repaired' car that was previously involved in an accident performs in a controlled crash test with another identical car.
let me know if anyone's interested in viewing it.
might even lower insurance premiums. but we all know who will be the first to resist this.
why don't they do it? economic reasons perhaps?
as usual, i'm late to the discussion but my 2cts anyway.
since joining the forum, i have seen 3 E36s.
iScoupe's prolly the best knick of all 3 'cept for maybe his 'mense red' or whatever pple call it.
2nd E36, the minute i got in and closed passenger door, i knew something was up.
asked the owner if the car has been in an accident. all he said was as far as he knows, none.
yet he admitted the passenger door as been transplanted from another car.
like i always said, i'm not all smarts but i'm sure the folks here are sharper... transplant whole door?
owner did say he wants to get a faster car... like turbo-charged or something.
anyways, that 2nd E36 has recently been sold to a new owner.
assuming the car had previously been involved in a side impact accident...
1. as seller, will you disclosed full history of the car?
2. as buyer, how do you know if structural integrity has not been affected?
3. as buyer, would you buy it and for what price?
4. as buyer, would you have someone close and dear to you sit in the passenger seat?
i'm not sure here but if the dealer or seller had deceived the buyer when asked about accident history, is there an avenue of recourse for the buyer? i know if i was the buyer and the seller had lied about the history, i will seek to take legal action.
else, i guess it's always going to be a risk in buying used cars. severe economic restraints some call it...
i uploaded a video on YT how a 'repaired' car that was previously involved in an accident performs in a controlled crash test with another identical car.
let me know if anyone's interested in viewing it.
to what i am aware, no but don't quote me. yes, it will be good to have this.stefman;494797 said:
might even lower insurance premiums. but we all know who will be the first to resist this.
morally, that's the right thing to do and i do agree. yet how many souls out there will do just that?Red_Bean_Bun;494805 said:
why don't they do it? economic reasons perhaps?
true, but what is a good condition price? before that, how do you know if it really is safe to drive?kelvinyong;495042 said:Hi Longhorn,
I agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the car is safe to drive, its ok to sell. but since it's wrecked, morally speaking it shouldnt be sold at gd condition price.
if a car has been fully repaired and deemed roadworthy then all is fine. i'm just wondering at what cost to do all that. somehow, i'm thinking the point here may be about the buyer knows the car has been in an accident prior to the purchase. if he already knows and so chooses to go ahead hell it's his decision.longhorn;494996 said:
good question which i think many of the fellow forumers will probably have a similar answer to.Red_Bean_Bun;495120 said:
brudder, i disagree. are we assuming buyer does not intend to tell next buyer about car history? so we go back a full cycle? is it fair to next buyer?iScoupe;496043 said:
as usual, i'm late to the discussion but my 2cts anyway.
since joining the forum, i have seen 3 E36s.
iScoupe's prolly the best knick of all 3 'cept for maybe his 'mense red' or whatever pple call it.
2nd E36, the minute i got in and closed passenger door, i knew something was up.
asked the owner if the car has been in an accident. all he said was as far as he knows, none.
yet he admitted the passenger door as been transplanted from another car.
like i always said, i'm not all smarts but i'm sure the folks here are sharper... transplant whole door?
owner did say he wants to get a faster car... like turbo-charged or something.
anyways, that 2nd E36 has recently been sold to a new owner.
assuming the car had previously been involved in a side impact accident...
1. as seller, will you disclosed full history of the car?
2. as buyer, how do you know if structural integrity has not been affected?
3. as buyer, would you buy it and for what price?
4. as buyer, would you have someone close and dear to you sit in the passenger seat?
i'm not sure here but if the dealer or seller had deceived the buyer when asked about accident history, is there an avenue of recourse for the buyer? i know if i was the buyer and the seller had lied about the history, i will seek to take legal action.
else, i guess it's always going to be a risk in buying used cars. severe economic restraints some call it...
Leonardo
Well-Known Member
Re: Careful of This 318IS
Sad to say each one has their own personal agenda and moral standard. This applies to any transaction not just this particular case. I have been conned a couple of times but I can only blamed myself for not doing the proper checks.
This is a private transaction and no one will know the truth except for the seller and buyer of the car. Even the law states "Let the buyer beware"
There are avenues for any buyer to check if the vehicle has been involved in any accidents and the seriousness of it. Thereafter, the buyer can either buy it or walk away from the deal. :dramamam:
Sad to say each one has their own personal agenda and moral standard. This applies to any transaction not just this particular case. I have been conned a couple of times but I can only blamed myself for not doing the proper checks.
This is a private transaction and no one will know the truth except for the seller and buyer of the car. Even the law states "Let the buyer beware"
There are avenues for any buyer to check if the vehicle has been involved in any accidents and the seriousness of it. Thereafter, the buyer can either buy it or walk away from the deal. :dramamam:
Re: Careful of This 318IS
Hi all,
I am not a BMW owner but many months ago, I did test drove the car that forumer fultron.sim was selling. I must admit, having stumbled on this thread, I am astonished to know now that the car he was desperately selling then had gone through a major accident.
My side of the story was that he told me he was selling the car as he had enough of wasting money trying to convert it into a track car. No mention was made on previous accidents, perhaps the hidden caveat in buying a used car is to accept that the car has been in at least one given the age... The price was low and I must admit I was almost tempted...
At the same time, I did recall that I ran through a few searches on the forum looking out for a better deal and there appeared to be another user who was selling a similar car. It seemed to me that this was actually the same user. I wasnt able to verify this, but in the end, it was all too dodgy a deal for me....
Hi all,
I am not a BMW owner but many months ago, I did test drove the car that forumer fultron.sim was selling. I must admit, having stumbled on this thread, I am astonished to know now that the car he was desperately selling then had gone through a major accident.
My side of the story was that he told me he was selling the car as he had enough of wasting money trying to convert it into a track car. No mention was made on previous accidents, perhaps the hidden caveat in buying a used car is to accept that the car has been in at least one given the age... The price was low and I must admit I was almost tempted...
At the same time, I did recall that I ran through a few searches on the forum looking out for a better deal and there appeared to be another user who was selling a similar car. It seemed to me that this was actually the same user. I wasnt able to verify this, but in the end, it was all too dodgy a deal for me....
