Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Ahbengdriver

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From what I know from people who drives WRXs and EVOs which are turbo charged, they face a lot of over-heating problems. Of cos many of these have their turbo boost increased untill its like some 400/500 BHP so maybe thats why they overheat easily but I also heard the stock cars overheat here n there.

I know many of you track in Sepang here. I ve heard these JAP cars, after several rounds on the track, experience over heating on their way home along NS highway....some overheat after just 30 minutes.

So is the 335i the correct way to go for BMW?
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Ahbengdriver;151839 said:
From what I know from people who drives WRXs and EVOs which are turbo charged, they face a lot of over-heating problems. Of cos many of these have their turbo boost increased untill its like some 400/500 BHP so maybe thats why they overheat easily but I also heard the stock cars overheat here n there.

I know many of you track in Sepang here. I ve heard these JAP cars, after several rounds on the track, experience over heating on their way home along NS highway....some overheat after just 30 minutes.

So is the 335i the correct way to go for BMW?

It takes the Germans longer because they do it right first of all. Secondly, up until this last year there was a difference between German HP and Japanese HP. Yes it's true, the 335i is the way to go for BMW. Japanese and Germans were using different standards to rate horsepower. The German way is more accurate of real life since it included attached accessories that would be included in the car. The Japanese way, i would say is quite inaccurate. They were inflating their HP ratings by testing motors without accessories that rob HP.

Also, my friend over in U.S, an avid car enthusiast, has been involved with cars for over 20 years and have even worked in Nissan's GTP program in the Dyno testing rooms and HP is not everything by itself. When they started winning races in IMSA GTP they were using a 1000 HP Single Turbo car and eventually finished with a 800 HP thin turbo that was still quicker. So automotive design involves more than just the top HP rating. It is a combination of HP+Torque+Weight+Gearing.

Finally, while those cars you mentioned made a lot of power, they also had serious issues like oil usage, terrible mileage, reliability problems, Toyota had head problems, etc. Yes the Germans are slow and cautious but it is because they design cars holistically, not just going for the ego numbers. That is why we love them i would presume that the 335i would not have much of the problems which you perceive based on your knwoledge.

:)
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

From another thread on this board.. http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/discus...bers-only/12064-bmw-335i-dynojet-results.html

If you increase boost levels on current turbos, under long period of high load (like real high speed NS cruise) the usual turbocharger life reduction, underhood and fluid temp control issues come into play, just like any other stressed small turbocharger system in history. Fluid temp rises will be caught by the control system and power reduced. How soon this is, under modified state, will depend on how much excess thermal capacity BMW has built into the heat exchange systems. If you go to larger turbos, the usual boost threshold, turbo lag tradeoffs will be made. Also important is whether the aluminium block will hold the power. Traditionally, all turbocharged engines that have been able to roughly double their output over stock with no changes to the longblock and no short-mid term problems, have run closed deck cast iron blocks.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

elmariachi;151858 said:
Also, my friend over in U.S, an avid car enthusiast, has been involved with cars for over 20 years and have even worked in Nissan's GTP program in the Dyno testing rooms

Your friend works/worked for Honsowetz/Pink/Taguchi/Hermann? What is your friend's name?

So automotive design involves more than just the top HP rating. It is a combination of HP+Torque+Weight+Gearing.

An engine delivers X power (repeatable) @ Y width @ Z longevity. GTP wins are a combination of gearing, aero, chassis and suspension setups, component suppliers (say tires can't deal with power peaks, so lose the peaks and pick up on width) people interpreting the car subjectively and objectively, driver.. and a million other things. Difficult to pick a single factor out from a whole group of them and make a comparison and make a conclusion.

I think the Japanese have done a wonderful job with their rally car powerplants. I don't see them as inferior to German stuff. I think German cars have built a reputation because they used to really overbuild their stuff. This trend is going away though. Look at how the VAG 1.8T has lost weight and component strength over the years, how BMW has moved away from cast iron inline 6s and stock I4s that ran 1400+hp in F1, etc. Most Japanese cars are built light, so their engines usually are too, but when they decide they want to make an engine that takes it all, they come up with stuff like the RB26DETT, 2JZ-GTE, 4G63, etc... Anvils!


Finally, while those cars you mentioned made a lot of power, they also had serious issues like oil usage, terrible mileage, reliability problems, Toyota had head problems, etc.

What problems do Toyota heads have?

The SG race industry deals mainly with Japanese stuff. Local companies may not be able to spec and build as good as a company in Germany that builds entire crate engines for big money and ships them to Singapore, can. So again it is difficult to say that the Japanese stuff has serious issues. If there were a local German tuner and builder that operated at budgets similar to local Japanese tuners, then you might have a more accurate comparison.

Cheers
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Also German engines tend to run significantly larger displacements, so for a similar output, turbocharged or not, they are less stressed. The engines may also be more spread out so geometrically better suited to handling high loads. They are able to spread the engine out because the cars are usually bigger.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Ahbengdriver;151839 said:
From what I know from people who drives WRXs and EVOs which are turbo charged, they face a lot of over-heating problems. Of cos many of these have their turbo boost increased untill its like some 400/500 BHP so maybe thats why they overheat easily but I also heard the stock cars overheat here n there.

I know many of you track in Sepang here. I ve heard these JAP cars, after several rounds on the track, experience over heating on their way home along NS highway....some overheat after just 30 minutes.

So is the 335i the correct way to go for BMW?

ABD, I have my E8 for 3 years now and my water temperture as never moved any higher than from normal. None of the people I know who run FI cars have such issues.

I would luv to have a 335i anytime. I would imagine that its a blast to drive.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

the "germans" ??? or is it just BMW...

vw another german has been doing a fine business with their 1.8T turbo engine mated to their tiptronic trans - its now a trickle down technology to the skodas and chinese OEM cars. and they're also capable of turbo diesel.

other known european turbo users include saab and volvo, both of which have worked on 1000 hp turbos - of course its commercial vehicles, but the technology is very advanced now

.... BMW is certainly late in the turbo game, but credit to them they managed to sell so many cars without turbo features.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Shaun;159163 said:
Your friend works/worked for Honsowetz/Pink/Taguchi/Hermann? What is your friend's name?



An engine delivers X power (repeatable) @ Y width @ Z longevity. GTP wins are a combination of gearing, aero, chassis and suspension setups, component suppliers (say tires can't deal with power peaks, so lose the peaks and pick up on width) people interpreting the car subjectively and objectively, driver.. and a million other things. Difficult to pick a single factor out from a whole group of them and make a comparison and make a conclusion.

I think the Japanese have done a wonderful job with their rally car powerplants. I don't see them as inferior to German stuff. I think German cars have built a reputation because they used to really overbuild their stuff. This trend is going away though. Look at how the VAG 1.8T has lost weight and component strength over the years, how BMW has moved away from cast iron inline 6s and stock I4s that ran 1400+hp in F1, etc. Most Japanese cars are built light, so their engines usually are too, but when they decide they want to make an engine that takes it all, they come up with stuff like the RB26DETT, 2JZ-GTE, 4G63, etc... Anvils!




What problems do Toyota heads have?

The SG race industry deals mainly with Japanese stuff. Local companies may not be able to spec and build as good as a company in Germany that builds entire crate engines for big money and ships them to Singapore, can. So again it is difficult to say that the Japanese stuff has serious issues. If there were a local German tuner and builder that operated at budgets similar to local Japanese tuners, then you might have a more accurate comparison.

Cheers

My friend who i presume shoudl be still working there is called Markus E. Hestnes. I had some dealings with his dad in the offshore business only to find out his son is an avid tuner. From what i heard last from his dad, hes started his own tuning company in preperation for the R35 which he wants to undertake.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

guess thats because BMW makes such fine in-line sixes people who buy them dont buy it for outright horsepower, but for the technological refinement.

BMW engines put up about the highest BHP rating for each capacity...
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

SMYUEN;162995 said:
guess thats because BMW makes such fine in-line sixes people who buy them dont buy it for outright horsepower, but for the technological refinement.

BMW engines put up about the highest BHP rating for each capacity...

335i 335i 335i 335i 335i 335i...:woowooo:
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

dream dream dream dream dream
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

SMYUEN;163001 said:
dream dream dream dream dream

Erm..ever thought of selling the Maser? :laughlik:
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Mag;163002 said:
Erm..ever thought of selling the Maser? :laughlik:


not really... I hope I dont have to!

sell for something like AMV8 sounds nice... hehehehe

dream dream dream:cloud9:
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Sorry, different standards, no wonder the reluctance..
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Mag;163012 said:
Sorry, different standards, no wonder the reluctance..


there you go again...

sollie AMV8 is not attainable... not in this lifetime at least...

:cloud9: so i keep dreaming...

you know, its good to dream...
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Right, should follow your lead..should start dreaming too.

now where is that 997 GT3 RS...
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

Mag;163016 said:
Right, should follow your lead..should start dreaming too.

now where is that 997 GT3 RS...


hahah.. now thats more like it...!

porsche - the looks just cant do it for me.. but maybe my taste will change...

better stop talking abt my maser liao... people are giving me funny nick names... :uhhh:


ok.. i drive a Z4...
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

one of the advantage of bmw, i feel, is it do not need to service as often as other brands. 20k to 25k per service.

with the turbo, i doubt they last that long right?

i heard evo and wrx need to change oil every 5kkm.
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

oomph;162992 said:
the "germans" ??? or is it just BMW....... BMW is certainly late in the turbo game, but credit to them they managed to sell so many cars without turbo features.

Err.. I would say probably too early.. see .. back in 1973....when fuel injection wasn't even a common features.

2002_turbo_1.jpg
 
Re: Will 335i have 'typical' turbo-charged car problems?

SMYUEN;162995 said:
guess thats because BMW makes such fine in-line sixes people who buy them dont buy it for outright horsepower, but for the technological refinement.

BMW engines put up about the highest BHP rating for each capacity...

Err... not very true my friend. I think in comparing apples to apples, Honda probably makes more bhp efficient engine. For eg, the S2000 puts out about 237hp@7800rpm with 160lb/ft@6800rpm with a 2157cc NA engine.


Even the new Civic Si Sedan with it's inline 4 1998cc NA engine puts out 197hp@7800hp and 139lb/ft @6100rpm. It looks quite smashing too.. a bit like DC5 with 4 doors... swee!

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Civic+Si+Sedan

I've always respected Honda engines; NA with VTEC. Performs well and is very hardy. Very moddable too......

Arsony
Topaz Blue NOT moddable....
 

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