why 335 and not 330TT ?
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timechaser
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
I think everyone who buys a 335i is a poseur.
(sorry kenn, couldnt resist)
The model numbering is confusing, but it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. The 323 and 325 share the same engine capacity - the only difference is the internals. A move to capture more of a market share? Hey, I am buying a 2.5L engined car - but I cannot afford the costlier 325 variant so I will go for the 323. Similarly for the 330 (328, 233hp in the US).
At times, the power needs to be reduced to accomodate environmental laws so the 323 kind of engines are born. However, there are markets where both the 323 and 325 can be sold so why not? More product differentiation - and to the consumer (psychologically) more choice. However, there are also times when the same Engine outputs different amounts of power depending on the year of manufacture e.g. the 3.0 I-6 (the E90 version) outputs 258, 265 and 272 bhp depending on when it was made and which car it is in. Of course, if you study the individual model designations, you will discover each is a different engine. The 258 and 265 are N52 (258 was in the 330i and the 265 was in the 630i and the Z4 3.0) and the current 3.0 I-6 sold in Europe as 330i outputs 272hp. Confusion - yes, but all due to progress, not marketing.
The 335i is not called the 330TT as that would suggest the same engine as the 330 (N52/53 vs N54). I think (according to TopGear if I remember correctly) the engineers in Munchausen wanted to call it the 330top or something similar, but this was shot down by the marketing department.
But, I still maintain - everyone who buys a 335i (esp. the conv. is a poseur)
Jokes apart - I actually agree with Centu - Kenn, dont take offense on this because I know some people personally who's only criterion of buying a car is - which one will make people think I am posh etc.
Buyers of technologically advanced cars like the 335i can be classified into three types
1. The car afficioados: like kenn, elmariachi etc. who know what the engine is, what it is capable of and buy the car for its sweet handling, the engine and the ride. Of course the looks come into the picture somewhat
2. The poseurs: people who will buy cars solely based on how they look and how posh they project the person to be. I know someone who bought a 335i convertible just because he thought it looks cool and the 335i is the top of the range in the 3 series.
3. The idiots: who dont know much about cars, but will pile into the 335i because joe next door has it and the bloke at the pub reckons it is good... and ooh - it has turbos
just my tuppence...
I think everyone who buys a 335i is a poseur.
(sorry kenn, couldnt resist)The model numbering is confusing, but it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. The 323 and 325 share the same engine capacity - the only difference is the internals. A move to capture more of a market share? Hey, I am buying a 2.5L engined car - but I cannot afford the costlier 325 variant so I will go for the 323. Similarly for the 330 (328, 233hp in the US).
At times, the power needs to be reduced to accomodate environmental laws so the 323 kind of engines are born. However, there are markets where both the 323 and 325 can be sold so why not? More product differentiation - and to the consumer (psychologically) more choice. However, there are also times when the same Engine outputs different amounts of power depending on the year of manufacture e.g. the 3.0 I-6 (the E90 version) outputs 258, 265 and 272 bhp depending on when it was made and which car it is in. Of course, if you study the individual model designations, you will discover each is a different engine. The 258 and 265 are N52 (258 was in the 330i and the 265 was in the 630i and the Z4 3.0) and the current 3.0 I-6 sold in Europe as 330i outputs 272hp. Confusion - yes, but all due to progress, not marketing.
The 335i is not called the 330TT as that would suggest the same engine as the 330 (N52/53 vs N54). I think (according to TopGear if I remember correctly) the engineers in Munchausen wanted to call it the 330top or something similar, but this was shot down by the marketing department.
But, I still maintain - everyone who buys a 335i (esp. the conv. is a poseur)
Jokes apart - I actually agree with Centu - Kenn, dont take offense on this because I know some people personally who's only criterion of buying a car is - which one will make people think I am posh etc.
Buyers of technologically advanced cars like the 335i can be classified into three types
1. The car afficioados: like kenn, elmariachi etc. who know what the engine is, what it is capable of and buy the car for its sweet handling, the engine and the ride. Of course the looks come into the picture somewhat
2. The poseurs: people who will buy cars solely based on how they look and how posh they project the person to be. I know someone who bought a 335i convertible just because he thought it looks cool and the 335i is the top of the range in the 3 series.
3. The idiots: who dont know much about cars, but will pile into the 335i because joe next door has it and the bloke at the pub reckons it is good... and ooh - it has turbos
just my tuppence...
acupunch
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
how can u say that in a BMW forum har. which school you go to har. come into owner home say I chng my HDB house poseur trying to look like condo. have you not been poke in your chest saying that?
so can I say all women who put on high heels are pros har. of cos can not la. depending on contacts la, joking can lo. who in life like to be associated so.
u can think and felt that person a posuer, and I got no issue with that. but in general saying 335i owner poseur I think that's rude.
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timechaser;296678 said:I think everyone who buys a 335i is a poseur.
Buyers of technologically advanced cars like the 335i can be classified into three types
1. The car afficioados: like kenn, elmariachi etc. who know what the engine is, what it is capable of and buy the car for its sweet handling, the engine and the ride. Of course the looks come into the picture somewhat
2. The poseurs: people who will buy cars solely based on how they look and how posh they project the person to be. I know someone who bought a 335i convertible just because he thought it looks cool and the 335i is the top of the range in the 3 series.
3. The idiots: who dont know much about cars, but will pile into the 335i because joe next door has it and the bloke at the pub reckons it is good... and ooh - it has turbos
just my tuppence...
how can u say that in a BMW forum har. which school you go to har. come into owner home say I chng my HDB house poseur trying to look like condo. have you not been poke in your chest saying that?
so can I say all women who put on high heels are pros har. of cos can not la. depending on contacts la, joking can lo. who in life like to be associated so.
u can think and felt that person a posuer, and I got no issue with that. but in general saying 335i owner poseur I think that's rude.
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phil
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
Lyn, he's not being like that mate. take a deep breath.
the second anyone puts even rims on their car, thats poser, but so is buying raybans, so is combing you hair, so is ironing your shirt. Everyone is to a degree.
I know a 50 year old woman who bought a 335, i asked her why, she smiled at me and said, its a 335, why else. She bought it to look cool.
timechaser isnt being offensive.
anyway achu, your cam dam poser one also, hahahahaha
Lyn, he's not being like that mate. take a deep breath.
the second anyone puts even rims on their car, thats poser, but so is buying raybans, so is combing you hair, so is ironing your shirt. Everyone is to a degree.
I know a 50 year old woman who bought a 335, i asked her why, she smiled at me and said, its a 335, why else. She bought it to look cool.
timechaser isnt being offensive.
anyway achu, your cam dam poser one also, hahahahaha
timechaser
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
someone who has too much money
lol... relax acu. Highlight the first line in my message and read the apology that I start with there... I deliberately inserted these sentences... just for fun.
I dont think everyone who buys a bmw is a poseur - I own one... And that post is purely my own personal opinion - you disagree with it... cool!
phil;296685 said:
someone who has too much money
acupunch;296690 said:
lol... relax acu. Highlight the first line in my message and read the apology that I start with there... I deliberately inserted these sentences... just for fun.
I dont think everyone who buys a bmw is a poseur - I own one... And that post is purely my own personal opinion - you disagree with it... cool!
Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
I also think that the same line of logic will make a 320 coupe owner more of a poseur than a 335 coupe owner? A 325 cab owner more than a 335 cab owner? Then essentially there will be poseur definition all over, if you get what I mean..........
+1.timechaser said:
I also think that the same line of logic will make a 320 coupe owner more of a poseur than a 335 coupe owner? A 325 cab owner more than a 335 cab owner? Then essentially there will be poseur definition all over, if you get what I mean..........
timechaser
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
too true... look at Acu's mod list RAYS ENG. Volk Progressiv ME 19" Staggered F8.5 +35 R9.5 +30 | CSC2 F235/35 R265/30 | Bilstein B16 PSS9 |
| DIY Drop in K&N air filter | DIY Matt Blackout Front Grill | VKOOL Eurospec Window Tint X75/VK70/VK40 |
Defffynyte poser lah... :nehnehhh:
But on a serious note - Agree with phil's comment there that everyone is a poser to some extent... but a true poser is someone who totally pretends to be someone else. For example - the guy who bought the 335 convertible. He doesnt know jackshit about cars, hell - am sure he doesnt even know that there are two turbos under the hood. He sees a convertible and a 335 - top model in BMW lah - so he buys. He is the true blooded poser (or poseur).
phil;296694 said:
too true... look at Acu's mod list RAYS ENG. Volk Progressiv ME 19" Staggered F8.5 +35 R9.5 +30 | CSC2 F235/35 R265/30 | Bilstein B16 PSS9 |
| DIY Drop in K&N air filter | DIY Matt Blackout Front Grill | VKOOL Eurospec Window Tint X75/VK70/VK40 |
Defffynyte poser lah... :nehnehhh:
But on a serious note - Agree with phil's comment there that everyone is a poser to some extent... but a true poser is someone who totally pretends to be someone else. For example - the guy who bought the 335 convertible. He doesnt know jackshit about cars, hell - am sure he doesnt even know that there are two turbos under the hood. He sees a convertible and a 335 - top model in BMW lah - so he buys. He is the true blooded poser (or poseur).
acupunch
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
sorry, mate. edited... :laughlik:
I'm cool. who am i? 320i 19" staggered + coilover. used it for daily transport. am i poseur? but just very confused reading a BMW bro say BMW owner a poseur. that's just very weird. don't you think so? comments from other make owner I understand. no one like to be term poseur. like that I can't cut my hair mohock which I like, cos I'm not punk nor grunge. jus like it stand up high
timechaser;296696 said:
sorry, mate. edited... :laughlik:
I'm cool. who am i? 320i 19" staggered + coilover. used it for daily transport. am i poseur? but just very confused reading a BMW bro say BMW owner a poseur. that's just very weird. don't you think so? comments from other make owner I understand. no one like to be term poseur. like that I can't cut my hair mohock which I like, cos I'm not punk nor grunge. jus like it stand up high
timechaser
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
Neither - Phil already answered but here's my logic.
I have $250,000 to blow. What can I buy which will enable me to travel real fast real quick - which is poser-esque in a way (don't deny that at all). So I order the GTR.
A true poseur would have bought the GTR with the logic - ooh this is the car being hyped up by the media - everyone is talking about it!!! I must have this... so he will go and buy the car.
In fact - easy to find the biggest idiots/poseurs in Singapore - find the jackasses who bought the 7 GTRs which Tan Chong is bringing in.
acupunch;296697 said:
Neither - Phil already answered but here's my logic.
I have $250,000 to blow. What can I buy which will enable me to travel real fast real quick - which is poser-esque in a way (don't deny that at all). So I order the GTR.
A true poseur would have bought the GTR with the logic - ooh this is the car being hyped up by the media - everyone is talking about it!!! I must have this... so he will go and buy the car.
In fact - easy to find the biggest idiots/poseurs in Singapore - find the jackasses who bought the 7 GTRs which Tan Chong is bringing in.
phil
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
try being in the hot rod scene like i am, you wont beleive the amount if dickheads that buy a car for US$80,000 then bring it to aus and drive it like they built it, and the amount of people that think they're cool.
then i look at the poms winning the ashes, bloody posers
try being in the hot rod scene like i am, you wont beleive the amount if dickheads that buy a car for US$80,000 then bring it to aus and drive it like they built it, and the amount of people that think they're cool.
then i look at the poms winning the ashes, bloody posers
acupunch
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
you want to be poke on your chest issit? :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious:
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E90 division, i all of you poke timechaser chest pls. onces enuff.
timechaser;296701 said:
you want to be poke on your chest issit? :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious: :nehnehhh: :furious:
!@#$%^&*()123456789!@#$%^&*(ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ123456789!@#$%^&*()
E90 division, i all of you poke timechaser chest pls. onces enuff.
timechaser
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Re: why 335 and not 330TT ?
Hey - the poms deserved the ashes in that tour - much more than the pottymouth wimps (I almost used the word monkey here, but didnt know how you would react) you sent across. Send some real men, and maybe they can really win!
And acu: once again - let me revisit what I said:
Buyers of technologically advanced cars like the 335i can be classified into three types
1. The car afficionados: like kenn, elmariachi etc. who know what the engine is, what it is capable of and buy the car for its sweet handling, the engine and the ride. Of course the looks come into the picture somewhat
2. The poseurs: people who will buy cars solely based on how they look and how posh they project the person to be. I know someone who bought a 335i convertible just because he thought it looks cool and the 335i is the top of the range in the 3 series.
3. The idiots: who dont know much about cars, but will pile into the 335i because joe next door has it and the bloke at the pub reckons it is good... and ooh - it has turbos
Nowhere do I cast aspersions on you or any BMW owner. Unless you have unlimited money, one always has a budget and you buy the best ride (afficionado) or the best looker (poser-esque) in that budget. I have no qualms in saying that while I (hopefully) would tend to the afficianado category, my wife is 100% in the poseur realm. For her, the car's looks matter first and then the drive, technical gubbins etc.
You bought the 320 knowing fully well what it was, and you modded it because you felt that it would look nicer to you, or would ride better. That's not poser.
On the other hand, if you had modded with the intent - hmm, I have a 320, but let me tart it up and make it look like a 330 - THAT would be poser-esque. e.g. all the bogus M3, M5 etc. owners in Singapore... they are 100% posers.
or the Tuscani dressed up like the F40 (?)
Hey - the poms deserved the ashes in that tour - much more than the pottymouth wimps (I almost used the word monkey here, but didnt know how you would react) you sent across. Send some real men, and maybe they can really win!
And acu: once again - let me revisit what I said:
Buyers of technologically advanced cars like the 335i can be classified into three types
1. The car afficionados: like kenn, elmariachi etc. who know what the engine is, what it is capable of and buy the car for its sweet handling, the engine and the ride. Of course the looks come into the picture somewhat
2. The poseurs: people who will buy cars solely based on how they look and how posh they project the person to be. I know someone who bought a 335i convertible just because he thought it looks cool and the 335i is the top of the range in the 3 series.
3. The idiots: who dont know much about cars, but will pile into the 335i because joe next door has it and the bloke at the pub reckons it is good... and ooh - it has turbos
Nowhere do I cast aspersions on you or any BMW owner. Unless you have unlimited money, one always has a budget and you buy the best ride (afficionado) or the best looker (poser-esque) in that budget. I have no qualms in saying that while I (hopefully) would tend to the afficianado category, my wife is 100% in the poseur realm. For her, the car's looks matter first and then the drive, technical gubbins etc.
You bought the 320 knowing fully well what it was, and you modded it because you felt that it would look nicer to you, or would ride better. That's not poser.
On the other hand, if you had modded with the intent - hmm, I have a 320, but let me tart it up and make it look like a 330 - THAT would be poser-esque. e.g. all the bogus M3, M5 etc. owners in Singapore... they are 100% posers.
or the Tuscani dressed up like the F40 (?)
