Trackdays are for all sorts of drivers and cars

Shaun

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There's been quite a lot of unhappy chatter about the last BMWsg trackday going on in private and on public forums other than this one. Some are unhappy with slow or cautious drivers/cars on or close to the line, the variability of these drivers/cars spoiling their fun sometimes - and on the other hand, some of the safer drivers who are in fact pretty fast and and certainly not newbies, still are very concerned when packs of three or more high powered but often poorly driven cars racing each other and come flying by very close multiple times. Moving aside for one or two cars is much easier to do vs a pack that is both taking up more space on the track and also reading you different and taking different lines, potentially passing you on either side.

I can see both sides of it, and I don't think I'm biased since I was not driving at the last trackday. Both sides have valid points, but since these are open trackdays I think we should always err on the side of safety. It's always better to give up a position or a few tenths of a second rather than risk anything, it's just an open trackday with different cars. There's nothing to win, but a lot to lose. It is so easy to get carried away on adrenaline and ego.

Couple weeks ago I was with a high strung guy who would curse out loud everytime his laps were interrupted by any slower car or driver. Thought I understand the value of a clean lap and personally prefer less traffic, I thought it was incredibly stupid that the guy was getting so worked up cos after all it should be expected at any open trackday. Only real solution to that sort of problem (if you perceive it as such), is to book your own trackday among friends all in the same time range, keep the numbers really low, and then go enjoy yourself for just a couple hundred bucks more. These guys crying or cursing about traffic that can easily do that... lord knows they can easily afford it.

Of course there's always room to improve on driver education to minimize weaving, maximize situational awareness, etc. , and we'll continue to strive, improve measures.. but drivers as a whole I think should be more patient. No point getting angry in desperation to prove something when nothing will be. There are cheap racing series' everywhere for you to prove whatever you want, not at open trackdays where a large range of drivers just want to come have some fun and be efficient. So let's all relax before something bad happens ok?

Cheers guys
 
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Hi, yup, i agree.

Ours is a club level track day. There'll be high powered, low powered cars. There'll be slow drivers, and fast drivers. There'll be experienced ones, and newbies.

I have had more than a few people messaging me asking me whether is it appropriate that they join the track day, since their BMW is low powered, or, they have not tracked before.

The one and only constant answer is: If you are interested in this sport, please come along regardless of bhp or experience. We are operating at the club level, and we will help you out, start you out on proper track driving.

The emphasis here is on proper driving styles, track manners, and good habits, for the safety of everyone.

* Should I get all newbies to come half an hour early to the track day, for a more detailed briefing and prep? Like how TCC did it. (or, maybe half an hour at this coming meetup, or something) Are we agreeable to that?


For experienced drivers in fast cars, if you are stuck behind a high powered but inexperienced driver, whom you can overtake in corners but come back at you on the straights, the best thing to do is to let go for about 15-20 seconds, then start again. This way he will not be near you.


Also, track days will always have other cars around. So, one should expect traffic.
 
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+1 million both shauns...

anyway i wanna urge all new drivers who want to have fun on the track to come n participate n enjoy our stress free session...

trust moi, its damn fun n poisonous.....

i will be driving the least powerful car there, a swift sport, will still hv a lot of fun, nothing to prove.....

its not about power guys, its abt GRIP....
 
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Very good thread...
 
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Remember this wise words....:

If you dont break that last second, it wont change your life BUT if you do something stupid like crashing into others and break your leg, it will change your life forever
 
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A newbie here... just like to chim in with my experience..

As a newbie tracking, there should be a few rule of thumb that should be followed to the dot.
- Do not speed up and slow down suddenly
- Do not break suddenly before a turn if someone is behind you or in a straight
- Do not put on the hazzard light and then sprint at racing speed..
- Do not try funny stunts on the track. ie. drift through corners etc
- Do use your mirrors!
- Do not try to follow a group of experience driver racing each others. You do not know what mods they have to allow them to fly through some corners
- Do give way to faster driver even if they may not have a more powerful car..
- Do remember track driving IS NOT the same as driving on normal roads. Learn the track ethics..

Cya on the tracks!
 
Re: Trackdays are for all sorts of drivers and cars

Hi King,

Good points you make...

KingAbarth;537503 said:
- Do not put on the hazzard light and then sprint at racing speed..

Yup and likewise don't creep along without the hazards on. Even cooling down with the hazards on the car should be should be rolling at a moderate pace of roughly 70 km/h average.

- Do not try to follow a group of experience driver racing each others. You do not know what mods they have to allow them to fly through some corners

Yah and even if you have a superior car or hardware, don't attempt to blindly copy what other drivers are doing because more often it is about driver knowledge and ability rather than the car. Attempting something without a stock of progressive experience can lead to trouble despite superior equipment because the driver element is overwhelming especially in certain areas of the track.

Cheers
 
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* Should I get all newbies to come half an hour early to the track day, for a more detailed briefing and prep? Like how TCC did it. (or, maybe half an hour at this coming meetup, or something) Are we agreeable to that?
I think this is an excellent idea. In fact, in general I think all BMWsg trackers can afford to arrive a little early too, instead of (usually) a little late which always eats into green time. Good rule of thumb is to aim to arrive in the pits a solid hour before track goes green. The way it usually ends up after all the small delays along the way are that you land somwhere around 30 minutes to green. And that's still cutting it a little fine considering there're still a few things to do - indemnity form, safety brief, hydrate, restroom, empty cars of loose objects, usual pleasantries between trackers, set cold tire pressures, etc.

Personally I usually aim to be in the pits 80 minutes before green. Might seem like too much but the delays coming up the NSH, always cut that down a lot to where it's just about right.. comfortable to be ready and waiting in pitlane when track goes green, everything well prepared and mind all clear.
 
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Shaun;538448 said:
I think this is an excellent idea. In fact, in general I think all BMWsg trackers can afford to arrive a little early too, instead of (usually) a little late which always eats into green time. Good rule of thumb is to aim to arrive in the pits a solid hour before track goes green. The way it usually ends up after all the small delays along the way are that you land somwhere around 30 minutes to green. And that's still cutting it a little fine considering there're still a few things to do - indemnity form, safety brief, hydrate, restroom, empty cars of loose objects, usual pleasantries between trackers, set cold tire pressures, etc.

Personally I usually aim to be in the pits 80 minutes before green. Might seem like too much but the delays coming up the NSH, always cut that down a lot to where it's just about right.. comfortable to be ready and waiting in pitlane when track goes green, everything well prepared and mind all clear.

damn good point...... saturdays, NSH usually heavy traffic.... more cops too...
 

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