Replica forged rim ? comments
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WHITENIGHT
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Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Hi Bro,
I would not go for this type of rims even though its forged. Why dont u get DPE rims frm KENNTONA. His prices are very resaonable and its custom made frm the US. Real quality products. Quite a lot of us in the forum have already bought frm him. I myself have also purchase frm him and am waiting for the SL 5 this week.
Cheers.
stevenwu;370173 said:
Hi Bro,
I would not go for this type of rims even though its forged. Why dont u get DPE rims frm KENNTONA. His prices are very resaonable and its custom made frm the US. Real quality products. Quite a lot of us in the forum have already bought frm him. I myself have also purchase frm him and am waiting for the SL 5 this week.
Cheers.
Breyton
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Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Think this might be a good oportunity to shed some light on 'Forged v Cast' wheels...
'Forged wheels are lighter'
Yes, forged wheels do invariably end up being lighter, but this is very much due to the inherent characteristics of the manufacturing processes rather than just due to them being forged.
What does this mean? It means that if two wheels are of the same exact dimensions and material, the forged and cast wheel will be the same weight. For a given design, a wheel's weight is dependent upon material used and not manufacturing process. In fact, the cast wheel might be marginally lighter because of the internal defects inherent to castings (i.e. there are voids under the surface)!
So why are forged wheels lighter in general? This is because good forgings have practically none of the internal defects associated with castings (porosity, shrinkage, etc) and hence less material can be used to produce the same strength. Because of the internal defects inherent in castings, the cast wheel needs larger wall thicknesses to achieve the same strength as the forged wheel.
The forging process is basically forming the raw material by applying high pressure, casting involves melting the raw material and injecting it into a mould, then allowing it to solidify. The casting process introduces and traps tiny pockets of air within the structure of the wheel - this is known as gas porosity. During solidification, there is also 'shrinkage porosity' as different parts of the wheel cool at different rates, causing yet more voids to appear in the internal structure of the wheel.
Forging, on the other hand, does not involve melting and solidification - and hence has no gas or shrinkage porosity. Also, any such internal defects that might have been present in the raw material would also be eliminated during the compacting process which forms the wheel under high pressure.
A fringe benefit of forging is that the denser grain structure allows it to retain the lustre of polishing better and longer.
Cons of the forging vs casting process - more tooling is required and the process cycle time is much longer, resulting in much higher cost per wheel.
Think this might be a good oportunity to shed some light on 'Forged v Cast' wheels...
'Forged wheels are lighter'
Yes, forged wheels do invariably end up being lighter, but this is very much due to the inherent characteristics of the manufacturing processes rather than just due to them being forged.
What does this mean? It means that if two wheels are of the same exact dimensions and material, the forged and cast wheel will be the same weight. For a given design, a wheel's weight is dependent upon material used and not manufacturing process. In fact, the cast wheel might be marginally lighter because of the internal defects inherent to castings (i.e. there are voids under the surface)!
So why are forged wheels lighter in general? This is because good forgings have practically none of the internal defects associated with castings (porosity, shrinkage, etc) and hence less material can be used to produce the same strength. Because of the internal defects inherent in castings, the cast wheel needs larger wall thicknesses to achieve the same strength as the forged wheel.
The forging process is basically forming the raw material by applying high pressure, casting involves melting the raw material and injecting it into a mould, then allowing it to solidify. The casting process introduces and traps tiny pockets of air within the structure of the wheel - this is known as gas porosity. During solidification, there is also 'shrinkage porosity' as different parts of the wheel cool at different rates, causing yet more voids to appear in the internal structure of the wheel.
Forging, on the other hand, does not involve melting and solidification - and hence has no gas or shrinkage porosity. Also, any such internal defects that might have been present in the raw material would also be eliminated during the compacting process which forms the wheel under high pressure.
A fringe benefit of forging is that the denser grain structure allows it to retain the lustre of polishing better and longer.
Cons of the forging vs casting process - more tooling is required and the process cycle time is much longer, resulting in much higher cost per wheel.
Breyton
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Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
The thing to consider when buying replicas, if I am to consider buying them, is if I trust that the company uses good material and if I trust their forging process, or even casting process. Short of visiting the factory and conducting audits on their products and processes, the only way I can be somewhat certain of high quality materials and processes is to go for originals from reputable companies who have proven their products and earned that reputation.
Like DPE.
The thing to consider when buying replicas, if I am to consider buying them, is if I trust that the company uses good material and if I trust their forging process, or even casting process. Short of visiting the factory and conducting audits on their products and processes, the only way I can be somewhat certain of high quality materials and processes is to go for originals from reputable companies who have proven their products and earned that reputation.
Like DPE.
delrosa81
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Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
I think rims are a very subject issue. Its depends on how deep ur pockets are.
For myself, recently I kerbed my rims, and now my rims are bent, one rim costs 1.2k a pop without tyres. Im usually very careful, this is the 1st time I kerbed it and also damaged the rim beyond repair.
This set me thinking, if I get just replica, I can don worry about kerbing it, or getting it out of shape. My current rims are forged and lightweight by a reputable manufacturer and a simple kerbing it got it out of shape. WHy not get something realli cheap and should I kerb it just change whole set lor.
Now abit sianz, cos pocket no enuf money, to most of U forum members, 1.2k to 1.6k per rim is cheap but to ppl like us its really expensive and I relli cant bear or have the money to spend such money on rims. Therefore this time round I have decided to go for replica rims. Save money
I think rims are a very subject issue. Its depends on how deep ur pockets are.
For myself, recently I kerbed my rims, and now my rims are bent, one rim costs 1.2k a pop without tyres. Im usually very careful, this is the 1st time I kerbed it and also damaged the rim beyond repair.
This set me thinking, if I get just replica, I can don worry about kerbing it, or getting it out of shape. My current rims are forged and lightweight by a reputable manufacturer and a simple kerbing it got it out of shape. WHy not get something realli cheap and should I kerb it just change whole set lor.
Now abit sianz, cos pocket no enuf money, to most of U forum members, 1.2k to 1.6k per rim is cheap but to ppl like us its really expensive and I relli cant bear or have the money to spend such money on rims. Therefore this time round I have decided to go for replica rims. Save money
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
cant agree with u more, esp if we dun do high speed or aggressive driving.
but i have an inline 6 engine under the hood, i probably go for forged. my last set of rims were rays te37. damn fantastic and nice but since it is so ex, had to be extra careful with kerbs, etc and tyres that i bought, i made sure it had rim protectors that juts out a lot. so 9 months later when i sold it, no scratches at all cos rim protectors did its job. but hor... value 50% only. not worth it if want to change rims often or juz for looks.
delrosa81;370242 said:I think rims are a very subject issue. Its depends on how deep ur pockets are.
For myself, recently I kerbed my rims, and now my rims are bent, one rim costs 1.2k a pop without tyres. Im usually very careful, this is the 1st time I kerbed it and also damaged the rim beyond repair.
This set me thinking, if I get just replica, I can don worry about kerbing it, or getting it out of shape. My current rims are forged and lightweight by a reputable manufacturer and a simple kerbing it got it out of shape. WHy not get something realli cheap and should I kerb it just change whole set lor.
Now abit sianz, cos pocket no enuf money, to most of U forum members, 1.2k to 1.6k per rim is cheap but to ppl like us its really expensive and I relli cant bear or have the money to spend such money on rims. Therefore this time round I have decided to go for replica rims. Save money
cant agree with u more, esp if we dun do high speed or aggressive driving.
but i have an inline 6 engine under the hood, i probably go for forged. my last set of rims were rays te37. damn fantastic and nice but since it is so ex, had to be extra careful with kerbs, etc and tyres that i bought, i made sure it had rim protectors that juts out a lot. so 9 months later when i sold it, no scratches at all cos rim protectors did its job. but hor... value 50% only. not worth it if want to change rims often or juz for looks.
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Steven Wu
Everything comes with a price...
Forging is a technology. Look out for the certification of the wheels (TUV, VIA, JWL and SAE )... that is more important than being so called replica in design or country of origin factor.
For daily driving, many use replica non forged and encounter no issue (perhaps of course a supply issue which might happen later on) ... I cant see why the forged one would be any different. Are you refering to brands like ASA?
Steven Wu
Everything comes with a price...
Forging is a technology. Look out for the certification of the wheels (TUV, VIA, JWL and SAE )... that is more important than being so called replica in design or country of origin factor.
For daily driving, many use replica non forged and encounter no issue (perhaps of course a supply issue which might happen later on) ... I cant see why the forged one would be any different. Are you refering to brands like ASA?
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Fellow forumer Carhartt has cracked his ACS Type 4 replica upon impact on a kerb. Imagine what will happen on NS at 200 km/h.
I think besides brakes & tyres - which many has ignore the safety aspects of it - rims's built and safety are often ignored. If you spend a a couple of grandes on your bodykit and mirrors and spoilers and what not, why save on the wheels?
Something your lives depend on......... All it takes is one pot-hole or a kerb.TripleM said:
Fellow forumer Carhartt has cracked his ACS Type 4 replica upon impact on a kerb. Imagine what will happen on NS at 200 km/h.
I think besides brakes & tyres - which many has ignore the safety aspects of it - rims's built and safety are often ignored. If you spend a a couple of grandes on your bodykit and mirrors and spoilers and what not, why save on the wheels?
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Be selective IMO
While replicas are generally viewed as inferior but they are not necessarily the case. In most cases, they are simply an alternative with cheaper prices
The same machine that is owned by BBS and Co.X and both produce the same specs of rim with slightly small variations in design do not necessarily mean the latter is much more inferior just because it's not reputable.
I am not advoating anything here but I am just laying my views that not all replicas are all bad. You pay what you get.
On a real live eg, a few forumers here have tracked their cars with CSL replicas but all seem ok and on the other hand, I know a friend whos ORIGINAL CSL rim ( OEM BBS) bended pretty badly on B-road driving after hitting a pothole...
It is a biased view out there to be honest
If OZ makes the exact CSL look a like, it aint considered a replica
BUT
if Co-X makes the exact CSL look a like, the rims is considered a replica coz it's sold cheaper and the brand is not that reputable.
Be selective IMO
While replicas are generally viewed as inferior but they are not necessarily the case. In most cases, they are simply an alternative with cheaper prices
The same machine that is owned by BBS and Co.X and both produce the same specs of rim with slightly small variations in design do not necessarily mean the latter is much more inferior just because it's not reputable.
I am not advoating anything here but I am just laying my views that not all replicas are all bad. You pay what you get.
On a real live eg, a few forumers here have tracked their cars with CSL replicas but all seem ok and on the other hand, I know a friend whos ORIGINAL CSL rim ( OEM BBS) bended pretty badly on B-road driving after hitting a pothole...
It is a biased view out there to be honest
If OZ makes the exact CSL look a like, it aint considered a replica
BUT
if Co-X makes the exact CSL look a like, the rims is considered a replica coz it's sold cheaper and the brand is not that reputable.
FiftyFive
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Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
I second Jack on the issue about the various international standard rating on wheels be it the TUV, VIA, JWL or SAE. This is especially so if you are buying replicas from Taiwan.
One thing that I am very sure about wheels are, whether they are forged, low pressure casted, branded ie BBS/HRE/DPE/OZ or a replica from Taiwan/China/Philipines, the chances of them surviving after encountering a pothole at speed is extremely slim IMHO. Given the setup of a majority number of forumers including myself with after market wheels & low profile tyres... its a good idea to watch out for them potholes.
Cheers
I second Jack on the issue about the various international standard rating on wheels be it the TUV, VIA, JWL or SAE. This is especially so if you are buying replicas from Taiwan.
One thing that I am very sure about wheels are, whether they are forged, low pressure casted, branded ie BBS/HRE/DPE/OZ or a replica from Taiwan/China/Philipines, the chances of them surviving after encountering a pothole at speed is extremely slim IMHO. Given the setup of a majority number of forumers including myself with after market wheels & low profile tyres... its a good idea to watch out for them potholes.
Cheers
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Hi all bros,
Very appreciating on all your comments and I learn a lot more then before.
I always 'kerb' rim, maybe due to the nature of the places that I parked....tight slot, blind spot, S-curve.....etc and of cause poor skill....ko pi license.......FYI, kerb my stock rim in 2 weeks after collecting my car
As such, just thinking to get a 'cheaper wheel' so that if I 'kerb', just send to Yew lip for repair... Expensive rim has to or usually has to send to USA to get repair.
Furthermore, I am looking at 19" with NO Stub on them....I am very lazy in washing rims so 'easy to wash' type is preferred. Is there any 19" one-piece forged/non-forged rim in the market ?
I like those DPE, iforged, HRE rims too BUT BUT...with the above reasons & $$. My home finance minister will 'kill' me if she knows that I pay 7-8K on wheels...haaaa.a.a.
Comments and recommendation please ?
I fully agreed that beside tyres, rims are equally important in term of safety BUT if I managed to get a reputable Rim (not sure which company ? pls helps here), I believed their quality are acceptable.
Money NOT enough $$$$
Hi all bros,
Very appreciating on all your comments and I learn a lot more then before.
I always 'kerb' rim, maybe due to the nature of the places that I parked....tight slot, blind spot, S-curve.....etc and of cause poor skill....ko pi license...
....FYI, kerb my stock rim in 2 weeks after collecting my car As such, just thinking to get a 'cheaper wheel' so that if I 'kerb', just send to Yew lip for repair...
Expensive rim has to or usually has to send to USA to get repair.Furthermore, I am looking at 19" with NO Stub on them....I am very lazy in washing rims so 'easy to wash' type is preferred. Is there any 19" one-piece forged/non-forged rim in the market ?
I like those DPE, iforged, HRE rims too BUT BUT...with the above reasons & $$. My home finance minister will 'kill' me if she knows that I pay 7-8K on wheels...haaaa.a.a.
Comments and recommendation please ?
I fully agreed that beside tyres, rims are equally important in term of safety BUT if I managed to get a reputable Rim (not sure which company ? pls helps here), I believed their quality are acceptable.
Money NOT enough $$$$
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Check out the ASA offerings
:: ASA Alloy Wheel ::
or if u wish, maybe some Jippun wheels
go shopping ....
Check out the ASA offerings
:: ASA Alloy Wheel ::
or if u wish, maybe some Jippun wheels
go shopping ....
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
I ve used BBS and HRE, both are 19 inch rim and so far no problem leh. I ve kena-ed countless uneven roads n potholes up north. My BBS is just a cast rim.
I would suggest if finances allow get a forged rim cos there is always a second buyer willing to get it from you in future, so in essence you dont really spend as much as you think over its use.
I ve used BBS and HRE, both are 19 inch rim and so far no problem leh. I ve kena-ed countless uneven roads n potholes up north. My BBS is just a cast rim.
I would suggest if finances allow get a forged rim cos there is always a second buyer willing to get it from you in future, so in essence you dont really spend as much as you think over its use.
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
I like those DPE, iforged, HRE rims too BUT BUT...with the above reasons & $$. My home finance minister will 'kill' me if she knows that I pay 7-8K on wheels...haaaa.a.a.
Comments and recommendation please ?
Haha Prof Wu,
You can just declare it as a used set, like me just declared my new 19" RS-GT with PS2 for only $3.5K , (if ori price disclose sure jump one). very good deal rite ?
I like those DPE, iforged, HRE rims too BUT BUT...with the above reasons & $$. My home finance minister will 'kill' me if she knows that I pay 7-8K on wheels...haaaa.a.a.
Comments and recommendation please ?
Haha Prof Wu,
You can just declare it as a used set, like me just declared my new 19" RS-GT with PS2 for only $3.5K , (if ori price disclose sure jump one). very good deal rite ?
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Forging is the technological process
We r talking bout copies of design , not copies of how they are built...
Eg, Champion Wheels used to make CSL look alike wheel some years ago but they were Forged and not Cast ..
acupunch;370471 said:
Forging is the technological process
We r talking bout copies of design , not copies of how they are built...
Eg, Champion Wheels used to make CSL look alike wheel some years ago but they were Forged and not Cast ..
Re: Replica forged rim ? comments
Dave, you are the MAN.....noted.
Hi all,
Wait.....so only design is copied...in other word, as long as they are forged (technology advance) with TUV cert etc, can CONSIDER right ?
for eg.
ABC rim costs $1200/rim and another reputable DEF cost $700/rim with slight design changes BUT forged.....why NOT ?
Dave, you are the MAN.....noted.
Hi all,
Wait.....so only design is copied...in other word, as long as they are forged (technology advance) with TUV cert etc, can CONSIDER right ?
for eg.
ABC rim costs $1200/rim and another reputable DEF cost $700/rim with slight design changes BUT forged.....why NOT ?
