Permas Karting top 20
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Your dear forum owner and ex Ekin Cheng lookalike, Ryan Chua, has done consistent low 49s in a fresh 80cc rental kart (WPP), with a best into the 48s. I've done consistent low 47s in that same kart, same evening, because I'm lighter. This was on a cool track surface, so 46s or less should be possible on a hot surface.
Getting a fresh nicely sorted kart is a rare thing at the track though. It is much more common to run in the 49-51 second range with the few decent karts at average wear, average driver weight. Consistent 50s is good.
If the actual race rules haven't changed since 2004, an average qualifying time for the race 80cc kart (competitor's own, superior to any rental 80cc WPP or not) is 48s. If the kart states haven't changed since 2004 then it is impossible for a 65kg driver to go 46s (in a non-WPP) by the track owner's admission. It has never been seen, neither has it been laid claim to by the 2004 80cc record holder (rental WPP) who is/was an adolescent track worker and was doing 46s. I don't know how much things have changed since early 2004 - if the track has been patched or resurfaced, or the curb areas fixed or widened, better or worse kart maintenance, etc.
The only 125cc available for rental is able to go 41s. Again this was as of early 2004.
There is one ultimate driver (middle aged, maybe 70kg) who has never been documented, videoed, timed or transponded in action, but who has gone 46s on the fun 80cc karts (the slowest 80cc karts you can rent there, non WPPs). He should be able to go 41s in a good WPP rental. On the 125s, he should be deep into the 35s and lower. His name is Burduh Bak the Third, of Singapore. If you say a little prayer to him before you start lapping, his holiness will smile down on you and you'll end up knocking 7 seconds off your laps and you will be immune to mistakes except at T1. You won't see him in races or time trial because he doesn't like to reveal his speed secrets.
Your dear forum owner and ex Ekin Cheng lookalike, Ryan Chua, has done consistent low 49s in a fresh 80cc rental kart (WPP), with a best into the 48s. I've done consistent low 47s in that same kart, same evening, because I'm lighter. This was on a cool track surface, so 46s or less should be possible on a hot surface.
Getting a fresh nicely sorted kart is a rare thing at the track though. It is much more common to run in the 49-51 second range with the few decent karts at average wear, average driver weight. Consistent 50s is good.
If the actual race rules haven't changed since 2004, an average qualifying time for the race 80cc kart (competitor's own, superior to any rental 80cc WPP or not) is 48s. If the kart states haven't changed since 2004 then it is impossible for a 65kg driver to go 46s (in a non-WPP) by the track owner's admission. It has never been seen, neither has it been laid claim to by the 2004 80cc record holder (rental WPP) who is/was an adolescent track worker and was doing 46s. I don't know how much things have changed since early 2004 - if the track has been patched or resurfaced, or the curb areas fixed or widened, better or worse kart maintenance, etc.
The only 125cc available for rental is able to go 41s. Again this was as of early 2004.
There is one ultimate driver (middle aged, maybe 70kg) who has never been documented, videoed, timed or transponded in action, but who has gone 46s on the fun 80cc karts (the slowest 80cc karts you can rent there, non WPPs). He should be able to go 41s in a good WPP rental. On the 125s, he should be deep into the 35s and lower. His name is Burduh Bak the Third, of Singapore. If you say a little prayer to him before you start lapping, his holiness will smile down on you and you'll end up knocking 7 seconds off your laps and you will be immune to mistakes except at T1. You won't see him in races or time trial because he doesn't like to reveal his speed secrets.
Re: Permas Karting top 20
Alot of talk, no action. There have been at least 2 threads on the subject. Saify got the closest to organising something.
Problems include people not knowing how to get there and majority of the people who are interested are not keen on driving their cars into Johor.
Logistics is a nightmare. We're better off just forming a small group and going on our own.
Mockngbrd;171653 said:
Alot of talk, no action. There have been at least 2 threads on the subject. Saify got the closest to organising something.
Problems include people not knowing how to get there and majority of the people who are interested are not keen on driving their cars into Johor.
Logistics is a nightmare. We're better off just forming a small group and going on our own.
Rastaman
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Re: Permas Karting top 20
Yes its possible to do in the 40's. The previous manager there Phillip used to time us a bit but seriously cant remember whether its 49, 48s or even 45's hehe. U mentioned 51's i believe maybe that includes the infield section which they open up.
Permas Jaya is not that hard to find but i can tell u that since the robbery of bmw's, i myself havent kart there for at least 9 mths now.
Yes its possible to do in the 40's. The previous manager there Phillip used to time us a bit but seriously cant remember whether its 49, 48s or even 45's hehe. U mentioned 51's i believe maybe that includes the infield section which they open up.
Permas Jaya is not that hard to find but i can tell u that since the robbery of bmw's, i myself havent kart there for at least 9 mths now.
Liverpudlian
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How much does it cost man?
How much does it cost man?
///M3
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heh i love go-karts..but everytime i hit the tracks,i will sure to spun out on one of the laps..so far i only played 2nd time in my whole life..was great..although the 2nd time,some one pushed my kart into the tyre wall..hahahaha!!! i ate him back after..he lost me 2 laps..
heh i love go-karts..but everytime i hit the tracks,i will sure to spun out on one of the laps..so far i only played 2nd time in my whole life..was great..although the 2nd time,some one pushed my kart into the tyre wall..hahahaha!!! i ate him back after..he lost me 2 laps..
Re: Permas Karting top 20
I can tell you it isn't 45s because that is far below rental WPP track record.
No, it takes longer than 51 seconds with the infield. 49-51 is average kart, no infield.
I know both of these numbers because I kept records.
Rastaman;171792 said:
I can tell you it isn't 45s because that is far below rental WPP track record.
No, it takes longer than 51 seconds with the infield. 49-51 is average kart, no infield.
I know both of these numbers because I kept records.
Liverpudlian
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Re: Permas Karting top 20
how many go kart tracks are there in sing?
Jurong i know got one....
how many go kart tracks are there in sing?
Jurong i know got one....
keN330
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Re: Permas Karting top 20
Just went last week again, haha able 2 break into 55sec only.... Ryan, shaun care to share some secret hehe..
Come on lets organise 1.
Last week after i played, come a group of fast and furious Ang Mo. Got 9 of them. they smash up 2 go kart and even 1 turn upside down and thrown 2 tyre wall at t1. Wow... 1st time seen pple thrown up playing go kart. like f1 crash like that turn and turn
Just went last week again, haha able 2 break into 55sec only.... Ryan, shaun care to share some secret hehe..
Come on lets organise 1.
Last week after i played, come a group of fast and furious Ang Mo. Got 9 of them. they smash up 2 go kart and even 1 turn upside down and thrown 2 tyre wall at t1. Wow... 1st time seen pple thrown up playing go kart. like f1 crash like that turn and turn
Re: Permas Karting top 20
I don't understand how ryan can be so cold and refuse to share
Joke aside, you should be wide open throughout the entire lap except at 3 points. These 3 exceptions are...
- Maybe slight breath off the throttle at T1 depending on the kart and how you like to drive. In most cases you either end up entering at the right speed, or entering too quick and losing the speed in the turn through more scrub. Both end up about as quick, but you wear tires quicker out doing the latter, but that's not a concern of yours because the rental flee is flat whether or not you scrub. If you do it too much though, then your tires overheat on the surface and you lose some amount of grip.
- the acute right hander in the far corner at the end of the back straight. You'll have to brake.
- the left hand hairpin just one turn after the one described above.
I would number the turns to make it easier to communicate, but different people consider all the little kinks going along the side and back straight differently, some as part of the straight, others as turns. I consider them part of the straight because they can be driven through flat on the throttle even in the 125cc or 250cc karts.
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You should always have at least throttle (often a good amount too!) going through any of the corners, whether it is T1 or any of the sharp corners, as long as you have not entered way too fast. This is because karts with their solid axle and no differential use the outside rear tire to help turn. If you kart in the rain it is much more promounced. You need to throttle to turn and set corner speed ahead of the corner, not in the corner.
Your upper body and head are movable ballast (it is suprising how much a human head weighs) and can be used to weight the front or rear tires when required for braking, acceleration, turning, or any mix of these. This is why a heavier karter that knows how to use it to their advantage can beat a less skillful lighter weight karter, especially one statically ballasted to match . Sitting forward, off the seat and hunched close to the steering wheel to reduce oversteer tendencies mid corner is hard on the stomach and arms in the long run though because you don't have the support of the seat .. which is where fitness comes in.
If you're going for laptime you need to pick a sunny day where the track surface is hot but the air is relatively cool. If the air isn't cool, then at least pick a hot track surface because it is more of a determinant in lap speed than cool air. It's almost difficult to get a track surface too hot. It is different from full weight cars that are more sensitive to air temp and almost always have their tires overworked.
I don't understand how ryan can be so cold and refuse to share
Joke aside, you should be wide open throughout the entire lap except at 3 points. These 3 exceptions are...
- Maybe slight breath off the throttle at T1 depending on the kart and how you like to drive. In most cases you either end up entering at the right speed, or entering too quick and losing the speed in the turn through more scrub. Both end up about as quick, but you wear tires quicker out doing the latter, but that's not a concern of yours because the rental flee is flat whether or not you scrub. If you do it too much though, then your tires overheat on the surface and you lose some amount of grip.
- the acute right hander in the far corner at the end of the back straight. You'll have to brake.
- the left hand hairpin just one turn after the one described above.
I would number the turns to make it easier to communicate, but different people consider all the little kinks going along the side and back straight differently, some as part of the straight, others as turns. I consider them part of the straight because they can be driven through flat on the throttle even in the 125cc or 250cc karts.
=======
You should always have at least throttle (often a good amount too!) going through any of the corners, whether it is T1 or any of the sharp corners, as long as you have not entered way too fast. This is because karts with their solid axle and no differential use the outside rear tire to help turn. If you kart in the rain it is much more promounced. You need to throttle to turn and set corner speed ahead of the corner, not in the corner.
Your upper body and head are movable ballast (it is suprising how much a human head weighs) and can be used to weight the front or rear tires when required for braking, acceleration, turning, or any mix of these. This is why a heavier karter that knows how to use it to their advantage can beat a less skillful lighter weight karter, especially one statically ballasted to match . Sitting forward, off the seat and hunched close to the steering wheel to reduce oversteer tendencies mid corner is hard on the stomach and arms in the long run though because you don't have the support of the seat .. which is where fitness comes in.
If you're going for laptime you need to pick a sunny day where the track surface is hot but the air is relatively cool. If the air isn't cool, then at least pick a hot track surface because it is more of a determinant in lap speed than cool air. It's almost difficult to get a track surface too hot. It is different from full weight cars that are more sensitive to air temp and almost always have their tires overworked.
