Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
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RaidenGear
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Re: Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
if i were the guy on the segway i'd crap my pants
if i were the guy on the segway i'd crap my pants
powersteer
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Re: Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
he might fit better into D1GP than WRC
he might fit better into D1GP than WRC
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wooooo.. sick stuff. f*ckin awesome sh*t!!
Racebred
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yeah the thing is, even with his level of skill in car control and competitive racing, he and Kimi are both going nowhere in WRC, which is a testament to the amazing level of competition over there. That's why WRC entrants almost always seem to trump all other great drivers in other disciplines in the Race of Champions.
yeah the thing is, even with his level of skill in car control and competitive racing, he and Kimi are both going nowhere in WRC, which is a testament to the amazing level of competition over there. That's why WRC entrants almost always seem to trump all other great drivers in other disciplines in the Race of Champions.
Re: Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
Maybe experience plays a huge part?
Same question somebody asked me before - Who is a better driver? Guy A who does 2:37 in a relatively stock S15 or Guy B who does about 2:40 also in the same S15. Only difference is Guy A has been to Sepang over a dozen times whereas Guy B is virgin to Sepang.
Maybe experience plays a huge part?
Same question somebody asked me before - Who is a better driver? Guy A who does 2:37 in a relatively stock S15 or Guy B who does about 2:40 also in the same S15. Only difference is Guy A has been to Sepang over a dozen times whereas Guy B is virgin to Sepang.
Racebred;576451 said:
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The really good drivers get down to 95-99% of best track times within a lap or 2 in their maiden outing onto a new track. Many professional drivers can take our road cars, and trump our amatuer club level timings that we have worked years to achieve, on their very first hot lap. (maybe coz its not their car, buay sayang, just trash. hhehehe)
The really good drivers get down to 95-99% of best track times within a lap or 2 in their maiden outing onto a new track. Many professional drivers can take our road cars, and trump our amatuer club level timings that we have worked years to achieve, on their very first hot lap. (maybe coz its not their car, buay sayang, just trash. hhehehe)
Re: Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
But where non pros drive low value cars or rental cars back to back with pros, the result is usually the same... so I don't think it's about owners not bearing to thrash the car. With costlier cars, often it is the opposite as only owners dare to take risks with what they own - though factory drivers driving client cars don't face a loss equal to market value of the car since the factory can replace it for a much lower cost.
That having been said, there have been pros that hop into good enthusiast cars who go no faster than the enthusiast... or even slightly slower.
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On topic of being new.... new to Sepang, doesn't necessarily mean new to other tracks. New to car tracking, doesn't mean new to other forms of performance driving that teach a lot like karting, autocross, rally, motorcross, sport bikes. Completely new to any form of motorsport does not mean new to sports that improve hand-eye coord, planning ahead, visualization, interception, balance, movement esp in vertical axis for flow, loading for traction, etc. like mountain biking, etc. Lots of sports indirectly teach things useful to driving. Some very good local drivers came from bike trial which is a form of stunt mountain biking, also XC biking which is great for flow at speed, reading terrain. Principle base easily beats memory base.. but the worst is just feel based, with feel honed by 1000 laps (literally) of unthinking, or just following other drivers whether they're hardware-reliant or not.
But where non pros drive low value cars or rental cars back to back with pros, the result is usually the same... so I don't think it's about owners not bearing to thrash the car. With costlier cars, often it is the opposite as only owners dare to take risks with what they own - though factory drivers driving client cars don't face a loss equal to market value of the car since the factory can replace it for a much lower cost.
That having been said, there have been pros that hop into good enthusiast cars who go no faster than the enthusiast... or even slightly slower.
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On topic of being new.... new to Sepang, doesn't necessarily mean new to other tracks. New to car tracking, doesn't mean new to other forms of performance driving that teach a lot like karting, autocross, rally, motorcross, sport bikes. Completely new to any form of motorsport does not mean new to sports that improve hand-eye coord, planning ahead, visualization, interception, balance, movement esp in vertical axis for flow, loading for traction, etc. like mountain biking, etc. Lots of sports indirectly teach things useful to driving. Some very good local drivers came from bike trial which is a form of stunt mountain biking, also XC biking which is great for flow at speed, reading terrain. Principle base easily beats memory base.. but the worst is just feel based, with feel honed by 1000 laps (literally) of unthinking, or just following other drivers whether they're hardware-reliant or not.
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Re: Ken Block's Gymkhana III (Epic)
It's more about narrowing the type of race or series he has to drive in and then seeing what's required, what's ideal. Within each specific type of racing, there are qualities that are important to have that may not be so in other types of racing.
On the topic of experience, you can look at mean championship winner age to get an indication of how experience based that form of racing is. Some very challenging yet non-internationally-famous series' have averages in the 32 - 35 years of age despite drivers entering that type of racing at the same young age. This 32-35 year average is considerably higher than most other race series'. These high-average ones like WRC, or others like some 1100 hp / ton car (circuit work) that can light the fat slicks on asphalt along the straights at 280 km/h at will - second in power to weight only to F1, running in ultra close proximity in large packs for much longer durations.
That's not to say less experience based forms of racing are any less easy... they're just different. Those might put more emphasis on raw hand eye, fitness, fine control and balance. Many MotoGP champions started winning pretty young, but they're among the most respected of anyone in motorsport.
rex7_vtec;576820 said:
It's more about narrowing the type of race or series he has to drive in and then seeing what's required, what's ideal. Within each specific type of racing, there are qualities that are important to have that may not be so in other types of racing.
On the topic of experience, you can look at mean championship winner age to get an indication of how experience based that form of racing is. Some very challenging yet non-internationally-famous series' have averages in the 32 - 35 years of age despite drivers entering that type of racing at the same young age. This 32-35 year average is considerably higher than most other race series'. These high-average ones like WRC, or others like some 1100 hp / ton car (circuit work) that can light the fat slicks on asphalt along the straights at 280 km/h at will - second in power to weight only to F1, running in ultra close proximity in large packs for much longer durations.
That's not to say less experience based forms of racing are any less easy... they're just different. Those might put more emphasis on raw hand eye, fitness, fine control and balance. Many MotoGP champions started winning pretty young, but they're among the most respected of anyone in motorsport.
