Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

[Shaun]

Taken off straightline track data.. same day, same stretch. Real world stressed conditions heat and all. Not just wussy and illegal little one off sprints around the city to impress other monkeys.

M3 clearly accelerates harder across gears 3, 4, and early part of 5. Gears 1, 2, can't be run since the cars are still under lateral acceleration exiting turns which doesn't allow them to accelerate longitudinally. Gear 6 can't be run either since true GPS speed on these models at the track doesn't exceed 220 km/h.

The spikes in the M3 trace are when the driver shifts (manual transmission). DCT M3 with its almost instant shifts and 7 gears would be even quicker.. significantly so.

M3 wins

 

[kenntona]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Hahahaha, why are the two cars even be comparable?

 

[Shaun]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Hahahaha, why are the two cars even be comparable?

Both BMWs, and 335 guys seem to talk a lot about wanting to match or beat the M3s. Not so easy in the real world, unlike on paper.

 

[kenntona]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Both BMWs, and 335 guys seem to talk a lot about wanting to match or beat the M3s. Not so easy in the real world, unlike on paper.

Many 335 owners have not realised their insecurity and hence the need to match or beat the M3s, so that's perhaps a skewed perception against the "335 guys."

I, for one, have conceded in many threads that that M3 is the car to own in the BMW stable, and only the M3 is ultimate driving machine. In the real world, M3 rules the world, which explains the strong support from purists like you. Before the N54 twin-turbo block was produced, the 330 was not even compared to the M3, so the 335, at most, is just a wedge between the 330 and the M3. Not comparable lah.....

 

[Dre]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Taken off straightline track data.. same day, same stretch. Real world stressed conditions heat and all. Not just wussy and illegal little one off sprints around the city to impress other monkeys.

M3 clearly accelerates harder across gears 3, 4, and early part of 5. Gears 1, 2, can't be run since the cars are still under lateral acceleration exiting turns which doesn't allow them to accelerate longitudinally. Gear 6 can't be run either since true GPS speed on these models at the track doesn't exceed 220 km/h.

The spikes in the M3 trace are when the driver shifts (manual transmission). DCT M3 with its almost instant shifts and 7 gears would be even quicker.. significantly so.

M3 wins

What exactly are we comparing specifically & what's the point of this thread?

What about level of proficiency of the respective drivers and level of Juice/mods on the 335 in focus here?

"M3 accelerates harder across gears 3,4 and early part of 5." This I clearly disagree with. Let me know when you'd be keen to do these tests again.. I'm sure there are many here including myself who would like to have a try at proving you wrong

No hostility meant bro.. just a difference in opinion.

 

[D_Iceman]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Shaun, I'd really like to know whose 335 that belongs to?

I love the E92 M3, too bad I can't afford it. But let's do this, why don't you take a E92 M3 vs my lowly pariah 335 and see which is faster. Winner gets to decide which car he wants to drive home. Deal?

With the kind of data you have on hand, should be a win-win for your isn't it? After all the M3 should take my 335 from 3-5 gears easily.

Ai race mai?

 

[kenntona]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

How to determine who's faster? 0-100 drag or one hot-lap track time?

When I was play soccer on full field, someone told me real skills are seen on street soccer courts. Put Didier Drogba or Theo Walcott on the court and he sure cannot play. No space to move.

When I play futsal, someone told me real soccer players play full field. The best futsal player Falcao is not in the Brazilian soccer team. He cannot use his skills on full fields.

So some players are better on small court, some are better on full field - where's the actual playground to prove a point? Whoever loses will point to another comparison another day, another condition, another driver, another mod...... never end. What I do know, is that different soccer players are born with different skills to perform on different grounds, and hence different cars are built for different needs as well. Learn to accept the cars' strengths and live with it, instead of bashing it.

Example A - a certain supercar model was whipped by a JDM on the streets. The supercar owner might say "damn forced induced machines, let's go to NSH. No replacement for displacement." We heard this all too often.

Example B - a certain supercar model was whipped by a GTR on track. The same owner might say, "but that car is so easy to drive !!! No need to fight, makes the lousy driver looks good only. And the gearbox problem, blah blah blah......" Again we hear this all too often.

Where will this end?

 

[sszone]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

hmmm.....its just car VS car that u guys are talking abt rite now.
how abt kanasai (but loaded) driver driving M3 VS skilled driver driving juiced 335..who wins then? haha

 

[kenntona]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

how abt kanasai (but loaded) driver driving M3 VS skilled driver driving juiced 335..who wins then? haha

Will never end. Why can't we just go kopi together? Why must we split hairs this way? Haiz........ no wonder some people lose friends this way.....

 

[Shaun]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

What exactly are we comparing specifically & what's the point of this thread?

A juiced 335 vs an E92 M3's acceleration under high load high heat conditions, same day, same stretch

What about level of proficiency of the respective drivers

Driver proficiency does not matter in a straightline once past lower gear traction limits. Any monkey can put foot down. It's all up to the car.

"M3 accelerates harder across gears 3,4 and early part of 5." This I clearly disagree with.

You can disagree with it, but it is data between these two cars, and it is what it is. Data is far more than an opinion.

Let me know when you'd be keen to do these tests again.. I'm sure there are many here including myself who would like to have a try at proving you wrong

No problem, and I'm sure your 335 and others are in different states of tune and that you can beef and boost many engines to do almost anything.

There's nothing major required. Just borrow a logger from one of your friends next trackday and email the file.

No hostility meant bro.. just a difference in opinion.

Likewise man..
FWIW, I think you're one of the cool 335 guys - cos you just quietly and confidently do your own thing, develop your setup at the track, don't suggest crazy challenges or talk big about this and that. This is great and in sharp contrast to a few others

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Winner gets to decide which car he wants to drive home. Deal?

Winner picks which car to drive home, leaving the other one for the loser? You and I know very well that a deal like that is not going to work out and why. It is kind of weak of you to play that game and detract from other much more real points, Iceman. Besides, if the M3 wins, the owner has no real reward.. there's no upside for him. The 335 owner has lots to win, and nothing to lose.

With the kind of data you have on hand, should be a win-win for your isn't it? After all the M3 should take my 335 from 3-5 gears easily.

No, because it is a comparison of two individual cars. Why does that M3 represents all M3s? Or that 335, all 335s?

Ai race mai?

If you have so much to prove with your specific car... next trackday.. just before the green flag is waved, stroll out to the middle of pitlane with a bullhorn and ask the same question to all the participants at once. Maybe you'll get lucky and some sub 2:30 GTR or Evo will step up and shake your hand LOL.

 

[sszone]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Will never end. Why can't we just go kopi together? Why must we split hairs this way? Haiz........ no wonder some people lose friends this way.....

yup, 335 lose to m3, m3 lose to some supercar.....never-ending lah
but luckily most bros are sane enough, car is just a car....at the end of the day, its the company of like-minded driver frens that we enjoy the most

 

[Shaun]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

hmmm.....its just car VS car that u guys are talking abt rite now.
how abt kanasai (but loaded) driver driving M3 VS skilled driver driving juiced 335..who wins then? haha

It's not about who wins..
it's not about drivers....
it's about what the measurements showed in this comparison between 2 specific cars

the point is.. it's not that easy to beat an M, even in a straight line. Not even getting to handling dynamics yet. I have some friends that think they can just chip or flash and 335 and they'll have saved themselves 100K and now have an M3 beater.. just not true. It takes a lot more time and money just to cover the acceleration under true stress bit.

yup, 335 lose to m3, m3 lose to some supercar.....never-ending lah
but luckily most bros are sane enough, car is just a car....at the end of the day, its the company of like-minded driver frens that we enjoy the most

Very true

 

[D_Iceman]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

So all of the sudden a lot of excuses comes out, I see no point in your post in the first place.

You should given all your explanations as seen above before asserting that M3 wins.

I now dare say nice and loud, next track day or any sprint event, my 335 will take on any M3 driven by you.

Now that you mention GTR, if Omar was driving a GTR, I'll still jio him and poke him because in my thread about tires, he chose to start the suaning and I recipocrated. It's not the M3 I have a problem with, I just like to suan Omar. He can be driving a McLaren F1, I'll still say I want to poke him.

 

[Shaun]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

So all of the sudden a lot of excuses comes out

Why do I need excuses? Have I been caught red handed doing something wrong? LOL. It is what it is.

I see no point in your post in the first place.

That's ok, a lot of things escape you

You should given all your explanations as seen above before asserting that M3 wins.

A vs B. A wins. That's what was stated. Everything else you jumped to conclusion on.

I now dare say nice and loud, next track day or any sprint event, my 335 will take on any M3 driven by you.

I have no doubt that it will and I'm even sure that you have gone sub 40 already, but I don't think it is good to carry that attitude to the track. Ego can get you killed.. seriously.. dangerous. It wouldn't be a fair test anyway, you're too good a driver.. you like to bully people is it? Why pick on me to start with? I'm just the messenger... the one that collected and posted the data. You once made comments about tracking bringing out the ego in people.. don't become what you criticize, don't turn into a hypocrite Here's the quote. "They say tracking brings out the ego in a person and I totally agree. Anyway, i view tracking as getting to know your car better. The better the timing you can clock with your car, it just shows you are getting to know your car better and it also shows that the more practise you have, the better timing you'll get." So are you sure that's what you believe? Or are you there to prove that your 335 is better than an M3 lol. Just get to know your car better loh. If that's what you truly believe. Go set a fantastic laptime and have it up on the timesheet, up in lights. No need for drama mama challenges lol.

Anyway how do all your macho statements, challenges, claims... all relate to the topic and the data? How does it relate to straightline acceleration 100-195km/h between 2 cars?

Now that you mention GTR, if Omar was driving a GTR, I'll still jio him and poke him because in my thread about tires, he chose to start the suaning and I recipocrated. It's not the M3 I have a problem with, I just like to suan Omar. He can be driving a McLaren F1, I'll still say I want to poke him.

You're going further and further off topic.. it's like you're rabid or something? Check for foam

 

[kenntona]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

It's not about who wins..
it's not about drivers....
it's about what the measurements showed in this comparison between 2 specific cars

I think your comparison needs to clarify which/whose 335 was tested in question, so fuzzy's concerns can be addressed insofar as variables like mods/driver's experience are normalised. Else it could well be a statistical outlier which might not be a fair representation of how the Juiced 335 pits against the M3 on the straights.

the point is.. it's not that easy to beat an M, even in a straight line. Not even getting to handling dynamics yet. I have some friends that think they can just chip or flash and 335 and they'll have saved themselves 100K and now have an M3 beater.. just not true. It takes a lot more time and money just to cover the acceleration under true stress bit.

One, it's never easy to beat an M, but on the straights, I have witnessed the prowess of a souped-up 335 vs a sub-4-second supercar (just straights, as you'd mentioned). Beating the M, only a certain honest M3 owner will tell you the truth. Two, your friends are quite mis-informed insofar as M3-beater notion is concerned. Then again, if your friends are simply looking for traffic-light-to-traffic-light sprints as the definition of acceleration, shallow as it may sounds, it has been proven. Perhaps the expert opinions of drivers who own/has owned and are driving both the e92 335 and e92 M3 (forumers like Omar and Marcus) can testify to that.

Again, what forms the basis of "acceleration"?

 

[ACS6]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Aiyo...shake hands and be friends lah fellas. Damn sianz to see grown up adults (I presume) debating about shallow topics like these. Both 335i and M3 are damn nice rides and you people are really lucky to own them. Sure, 335i can smoke the M3s anytime, and vice versa I believe. But is that what matters? Smoking each other on the track or at the lights? Its such behavior that really irks me. Lucky Singaporeans who can afford such nice rides and belong to a prestige marque, but yet bash each other's heads like back in caveman days over seemingly narrow-mindedness.

On that note, my souped up e64 can take M3* also....no problem. Proven also. Don't give a crap about data logging. Ai race mai? Winner takes home one Ben & Jerry's single scoup on cone.





* Mazda 3

 

[Shaun]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

I think your comparison needs to clarify which/whose 335 was tested in question, so fuzzy's concerns can be addressed insofar as variables like mods/driver's experience are normalised. Else it could well be a statistical outlier which might not be a fair representation of how the Juiced 335 pits against the M3 on the straights.

If it is a statistical outlier, time will show as more 335s and more M3s supply data. All that's required is patience. Are there other 335s now willing to supply data? If I can get 4 M3 and 4 335 datasets.. that'd eliminate outliers.

This time round.. 1 to 1, the M3 could have been a weak outlier, the 335 could have been a strong outlier, or both... or vice versa.. so don't worry too much about outliers. Equal chance, yet the M3 won. Time will tell the outliers and even if it doesn't, people will just move on to other things.

Then again, if your friends are simply looking for traffic-light-to-traffic-light sprints as the definition of acceleration, shallow as it may sounds, it has been proven.

Yah the thing is, my friends aren't interested in light to light....they see it as a low monkey form of driving. Plus they like to drive without endangering members of the public.. which eliminates almost all public roads.

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

So all of the sudden a lot of excuses comes out, I see no point in your post in the first place.

You should given all your explanations as seen above before asserting that M3 wins.

I now dare say nice and loud, next track day or any sprint event, my 335 will take on any M3 driven by you.

Now that you mention GTR, if Omar was driving a GTR, I'll still jio him and poke him because in my thread about tires, he chose to start the suaning and I recipocrated. It's not the M3 I have a problem with, I just like to suan Omar. He can be driving a McLaren F1, I'll still say I want to poke him.

If memory serves me, you started it here in this thread.

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/engine-...e-booster.html

For every action, there is a reaction. Even I jokingly replied to that, and when you were so insecure, you actually intended to call for a meeting to meet with the usual suspects to prove your point. And when I posted in your thread subsequently, you lit the fire when you used racist names conveniently thinking it was a joke. This whole thing is about you and your choice of words. Nothing else.

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Shaun, I'd really like to know whose 335 that belongs to?

I love the E92 M3, too bad I can't afford it. But let's do this, why don't you take a E92 M3 vs my lowly pariah 335 and see which is faster. Winner gets to decide which car he wants to drive home. Deal?

With the kind of data you have on hand, should be a win-win for your isn't it? After all the M3 should take my 335 from 3-5 gears easily.

Ai race mai?

From Kentonnas translation of your piss poor intended meaning,

Farked up written English, bo tark chek Ah Beng..... KNN...

Rewritten, it should read:

"ok you gather the FROG FACE GT3, mini-me SMALLY superleggera, HANDSOME 335 and all the usual suspects, tell them we having OMAR's M3 for SUPPER again."

So first you say your car can take on the M3 for supper and now you say the m3 can take you from 3-5 gears easily. So which is which. You seem to be awfully confused by simple numbers and basic english.

 

[Mr. Verna]

Re: Juiced 335 vs E92 M3 acceleration

Shaun, I'd really like to know whose 335 that belongs to?

I love the E92 M3, too bad I can't afford it. But let's do this, why don't you take a E92 M3 vs my lowly pariah 335 and see which is faster. Winner gets to decide which car he wants to drive home. Deal?

With the kind of data you have on hand, should be a win-win for your isn't it? After all the M3 should take my 335 from 3-5 gears easily.

Ai race mai?

Bro, looking at your mods, you can sure win a stock M3 lah. No need to compare anymore already. You are the winner.