How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

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This is one hot baby! TripleM's favourite!

Length 4415 mm
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Width 1880 mm
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Wheelbase 2493 mm
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Engine Inline six-cylinder
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Maximum power output approx. 400 bhp
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Maximum revs 8400 rpm

This is the first time in 20 years that BMW has actually bothered to make a customer racing car for sale. As a customer racing machine, available for sale, it competes for sales against the other marque which actually makes buyable racing cars for customers: Porsche 997 GT3 RSR (S$500K OMV) and also modified versions of the Porsche 997 GT3 Cup (S$250K OMV). Of course BMW is just starting out the business compared to Porsche who always has been selling these for the past few decades .... so many more teams get the Porsche still, but the Z4M Coupe R has been winning some against the 997 GT3 RSR even.

Can one actually buy these vehicles for use on the road? Or the track? With Singapore having possibly 2 permanent tracks coming up, possibly loaded racers would actually start race teams based in Singapore for race in the region's racing series. How much is this thing?

Quite an exciting time for motorsport in Singapore, actually. It'd might be pretty profitable to start a racing team provided you got good experienced people - yet another money making venture ... thinking very vaguely about it.
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

racing teams are never profitable... period. the time and money you throw at the car to win will almost inevitably outpace the inflows of cash.

but it would be cool to be able to buy such cars man...
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

MRacer77;194655 said:
racing teams are never profitable... period. the time and money you throw at the car to win will almost inevitably outpace the inflows of cash.

but it would be cool to be able to buy such cars man...


well said bro.
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

wah.. you so early bangun already yah pak?
 
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got 2 permanent tracks coming in singapore ? where ?

sentosa ? pulau ubin? jurong island? or pulau tekong ?

like that i must upgrade to coil overs already.
 
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Thanks CaySman..
Yep indeed, my favourite track cum race car.
For sure, it's not street legal.

If we do have a permanent track in Spore. I will build one track car myself or if the $ permits, I will consider getting this fast baby :)

It's too good. I reckon the price should be easily 25 pct cheaper than the 997 GT3 Cup.
 
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TripleM;194684 said:
Thanks CaySman..
Yep indeed, my favourite track cum race car.
For sure, it's not street legal.

If we do have a permanent track in Spore. I will build one track car myself or if the $ permits, I will consider getting this fast baby :)

It's too good. I reckon the price should be easily 25 pct cheaper than the 997 GT3 Cup.
25% discount over the GT cup is just too good !!!

To date, like 800-1000 GT Cups sold. Wonder what's BMW's production quantity. If cheap but NOT available, then what's the use too....

Wonder whether they build in RHD.
 
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MRacer77;194669 said:
wah.. you so early bangun already yah pak?

Yea pak, tho abit late la.. hehehe

TripleM;194684 said:
Thanks CaySman..
Yep indeed, my favourite track cum race car.
For sure, it's not street legal.

If we do have a permanent track in Spore. I will build one track car myself or if the $ permits, I will consider getting this fast baby :)

It's too good. I reckon the price should be easily 25 pct cheaper than the 997 GT3 Cup.

Yup pak!, would prob reckon it's slightly more agile i would say over the 997 GT3 Cup?.
 
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I wonder too but seriously, for track use LHD , RHD aint matter..
It's just one straight road haha...

I tracked on LHD car before in Shanghai F1 circuit and it's quite easy to get used to :)

Tho of course I prefer RHD naturally speaking.
 
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shaaz;194686 said:
Yea pak, tho abit late la.. hehehe



Yup pak!, would prob reckon it's slightly more agile i would say over the 997 GT3 Cup?.

I reckon so..would lv to see it in action.
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

Racing teams that don't win and who don't have sponsors, lose money. You'll do ok as long as you have sponsors, and no one really races without that unless they have their own deep pockets. Winning teams make money through sponsorship. The success of some series' is almost enough to allow the entire field, winners till dead last finishers, to make money. Taking 3 or 4 steps down the ladder from previous example, race suppliers that race, make very good money as long as they're halfway competent. One of my colleagues is half owner of his brother's business at this level and even at that lower-mid level form, it is most certainly profitable.

Some annual single race events are prestigious enough to allow nearly all entrants to make good money, unless they wreck bad.

There are a number of people worldwide running entire racing empires, that make very good money. Not purely through racing, but it being a big component.

The thing that all this requires though, is mass, and it is tough. Mass as in spectator and participant masses, for money, for innovation, for strong competition, no sanctioning monopolies. The US is fortunate to have huge middle and upper-middle class that fuels the most diverse and richest race industry in the world. The other option is to serve the cutting edge, in which case, you don't require mass, but still are technically or application limited, which can kill desire. If you're in it only for the money though, either option works, though without the desire, I don't see how it can work because it takes so much of your person that you can't do it without desire - unless maybe... you're only moving product.. dead boring. Still.. Clyde Vickers and Jegs are rich. I think moving product is a necessary component to some forms of racing business. The good thing is you can hire any plebeian to run that part of the business.

The entry barrier to a strong start in racing business, is high. A low risk start has to be strong with large safety margin, well planned, and foremost you need good people who love it and who want to win and who are willing to pour all time, energy into the business, and immediately prove intent by action, without first speaking. Everyone needs to know that if they don't want it, if they don't perform, they're gone. No one can feel like the operation depends on them alone, or that they company cannot afford to get rid of them.

You can start with almost nothing, as many have before, as long as you have good people, but in contrast to 1 or 2 years to establish reputation with earlier para, it will take at least 5, very possibly 10-15, to go places with a 0 start.

In both the strong and weak start, the human factor is the largest variable and it is important to have enough technical, psychological, and business understanding in order to pick and stick with the right people. WIthout technical understanding and character, the owners and leaders will not be able to recognize the same qualities in others, so will fail to select the right team members over the pretentious masses.
 
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lovely...lovely... can't wait.. 2009... soon... eheheheheh.... :D
 
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you make me want to start a race team, Shaun. Or at least part owner.

I'm a good sales guy. Hiring? Part time only.
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

Kiddy M;194700 said:
lovely...lovely... can't wait.. 2009... soon... eheheheheh.... :D

U cant wait which one? Our very own track or the track car project ? kekeke...
 
Re: How much does the Z4M Coupe Customer Racing edition cost?

caySman;194702 said:
you make me want to start a race team, Shaun. Or at least part owner.

Someday, especially if the track(s) really do get built, the sanctioning bodies create a fair and stable environment, and there are enough participants and spectators.

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Cliche...

Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing?
A: Start with a large fortune.



The people who make a small fortune in racing by pissing away the majority of a large fortune are the ones who've never really wanted to win or who love only the pleasant and flashy aspects of racing. Very often they are old money with no real understanding or drive.

On one hand you have young old money owners who try to buy good people and equipment, and think it will help them win, but who forget that without leadership it will never work, and instead of improving themselves and the race effort, are driven around in their million dollar RVs or 40 million dollar jets between races, stopping only to party and visit strip clubs to fill time between race weekends. Their teams can do good while expenditure stays off the charts, but then they cannot sustain it for any length of time and they're left dead.

On the other hand you have 70 and 80 year olds who have spent nearly their entire life racing, achieving success after success, building their empire, their dynasty....and even at an old age when most, especially in immense wealth, would settle down and enjoy family and the comforts of life, are still out their on the front lines every weekend, spending every weekday managing and directing, being heavily involved in racing. And not at one form of racing, but 4 top forms. Every single thing about their operations, pure quality.

Both real life examples.
 
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I think I've spent too much time posting this week, but have to get it out of my system because soon it's going to be tough to do the next four months on the road. ~120 days away from home base, working with no breaks.

Caysman, since you earlier listed some of the stuff you read, you might want to subscribe to Professional Motorsports World. It is business oriented and has some good tech too. Racecar Engineering you mentioned is good. It used to be the lesser of the tech mags vs Race Tech, but now is superior to it now that Ian Bamsey has left Race Tech to, I believe, run Inside Formula One Technology, Le Mans Technology, and NASCAR Technology - siblings to Race Engine Technology.
 
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Penske's style is probably the only way to do it on the (relative) cheap. The micromanagement tendency of the man is something I can't do consistently, but his putting the greatest value on his people I do EVERY damn day here.
 
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Wow you're good! Penske was exactly the example I was using. There are a few more like him...

But yes, management to tech, detail is everything If you don't have that spirit in the top levels strongly influencing the lower levels, then you can make a million good changes down low, but still not be able to overcome the single overriding negative up top.
 
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Drawing connections is my job. At least part of it. Penske has the combination of balls, luck, salesmanship, drive and as a bonus, he is pedantic.

I have no balls, good luck, great salesmanship, no drive and too polite to be pedantic.

That's why I LOVE to work under people. I rely on others to have the balls and drive and check on me and keep bothering me, I can supply the rest.
 
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Continuing with why Penske is among the best.. an outsider's (one of my favourite photographers and a good writer) recent view from a logistical standpoint. It's all attention to detail, making it your life, business sense, etc. Indeed, last weekend was entirely good. This weekend it is Chicago - the 2007 season closer. At last!

For every one of Penske's type, there are 100 quasi-interested, lazy losers.

The Auto Racing Promoter’s Bible – what a difference a week makes

How High the Moon?

Wow! The Detroit Grand Prix. The best event in the history of American Le Mans Series. Period.

Roger Penske has created the standard that all other racing events will be measured against; and with all things Penske, the bar is set high. When evaluating the weekend from every angle, from the smallest to the largest detail, it is not unreasonable to say, this was the first and only “world class” event in ALMS history. And hopefully not the last; astute promoters will closely scrutinize the Detroit model and incorporate the missing pieces into their puzzles (some events need a few tiny pieces, others have massive holes). What made this event so superior you ask? Plenty.

Detroit Spinners

The local politicians gave the event their blessing and then got the hell out of the way. As a result, the private sector had very little red tape to cut through and things got done in hurry. For example, Belle Isle has 600,000 sq. feet of new concentrate. Yes it is part of the paddock during the race weekend, but for the balance of the year it can be used for a multiple of purposes including corporate and civic events. The island has a new permanent playground for kids, new landscaping and a guarantee of further improvements over the next 5 years.

The area business community jumped on board in a very big way. Both the ALMS and IRL races had presenting sponsors (Bosch and Firestone), the corporate hospitality suites were sold out and advertising was displayed throughout the track. In addition, there was a massive amount of assistance on hand; from the Cisco folks in the media center making sure the 4 T-1 lines were always running, to the numerous folks wearing the AAA yellow volunteer shirts who were polite and exceptionally well trained.

The Captain

The two most important factors contributing to the success of this enterprise are directly connected – they are “the Penske Team” and Roger Penske himself. Penske is known as “The Captain,” and like any great leader knows one of the keys to success is to surround yourself with the best and brightest people. Penske has these folks in droves and allows them the autonomy to carry out his vision. He is also a hands on leader and pays attention to every detail of the event. The tiniest details add up in a hurry to make any event either memorable or forgettable. Virtually everything was buttoned up – from a very common sense approach to credentials – 700 members of the media (and no “friends of” wankers with cell phone cameras and a photo credential) including a huge turn out of local TV and radio guys doing live reports each day. An enlightened approach to the actual credentials themselves (green credentials mean all-access for example), plenty of water and food in the media center (that would be breakfast, lunch, dinner – the same approach any normal sporting event – football game, golf tournament or Olympics has). Add to this lockers, designated deadline media areas, photographers, pr and interview areas. An elevated, clean and organized hospitality area directly behind the paddock and a fan zone that was centrally located giving sponsors like GM plenty of exposure, spread out just enough for the fans to enjoy the various displays and activities. Well designed, understated official products (yes, these folks understand the demographic make up of the fans and realize if they wanted 1970’s style T-shirts they would either be at Wal-Mart and at the state fair). A properly organized parking and shuttle system and plenty of bleachers for fans to enjoy the key parts of the circuit and view the scenery. The paddock was buttoned up as well, with the IRL and ALMS trucks across from one other. Having no support races was a stroke of genius, balancing plenty of track time with just enough down time for fans to walk through the paddock and the grounds and soak up the entire event. The “less is more” line of thinking actually works.

The Main Man

The last and most important piece of this puzzle is Roger Penske. He has only one standard – excellence. When other promoters are constantly looking at ways to save a penny here or a dollar there; Penske always is willing to spend the extra dollars (sometimes thousands) to make sure things are done right….the first time. You never hear the line “we will fix it by next year’s race.” Problems are solved before most people realize they were ever there. Penske was at Belle Isle each and every day leading up to the event motivating his troops and making sure every last detail was in place. On Wednesday event of race week a thunderstorm bore down on Belle Isle with 60 miles per hour wind gusts. The hospitality village was already set up, but Penske noticed after the storm a few of the plants outside each tent had blown over and had sustained minor damage on a few of the limbs. Penske ordered the plants removed and replaced so the patrons would not see anything less than perfection. Roger Penske is not the kind of businessman who drives around in a golf cart and gives things a quick once over glance. He is involved in every aspect of the event. He understands better than most this attention pays long term dividends. We can expect the 2008 event (the 2nd annual and 1st anniversary – the Penske folks know the difference) to be even bigger and better; although it is hard to imagine how.

Penske Perfect

The 2007 Detroit Grand Prix was world class in every sense of the phrase. To hundreds of volunteers, the greater Detroit business community, the members of the Penske organization and to Roger Penske – a tremendous round of applause and an enormous amount of gratitude and appreciation for your vision, hard work and execution. The Detroit Grand Prix was perfect. Penske Perfect.

Richard Dole
September, 2007
After settling back down somewhat I'll come back and try to resume contribution to those threads on shocks, EBD, and add to that old ABS one. Been meaning to but lack time. Real sleepy mostly
 

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