Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

pengful

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Since my car has passed 4 years and feeling that the engine needed a "perk-me-up", I decided to have my ECU tuned by Boss this week. Must say that the car now feels more torquey and runs smoother at cruise speeds (90-120 kph range for me). I am also feeling more confident overtaking now. Even my wife, who has no interest in cars, feel the same.

My results:
Gain:
Motor power: 18.1
Torque: 23.6

Strangely, the "jerk before stop" which I have been feeling (and believe some of you do too) is now gone. Can those who have tuned their rides confirm this?

I am still monitoring if any "side effects" show up as a result of this tuning exercise and will share. Cheers. :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

Hi pengful,

cool man...............( thought you prefer stock??? )



cheers
 
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ac323;590687 said:
Hi pengful,

cool man...............( thought you prefer stock??? )



cheers

Yes, stock as much as possible but this old man needs viagra. :)

p/s: I mean the car, not me!
 
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pengful;590689 said:
Yes, stock as much as possible but this old man needs viagra. :)

p/s: I mean the car, not me!

Hi pengful,

alright.......................understooded!!!



cheers
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

i'm glad that the jerking issue is somewhat reduced or gone after ecu tuned
on the other hand, i'm very puzzle why e90 320 after tuned is 150bhp/200Nm torque which is exactly factory specs.
yeah i know the factory specs is bo joon but ..... nevermind ... as long as owner is happy with the tuned.
 
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wt_know;590704 said:
i'm glad that the jerking issue is somewhat reduced or gone after ecu tuned
on the other hand, i'm very puzzle why e90 320 after tuned is 150bhp/200Nm torque which is exactly factory specs.
yeah i know the factory specs is bo joon but ..... nevermind ... as long as owner is happy with the tuned.

Hi wt-know,

maybe can dyno a few more times???
anyway, each dyno session sure to produce different numbers..........



cheers
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

yeah, I have heard many times that every dyno gets different results (could be higher or lower)
perhaps, when BMW pen down the factory specs, it was the best result that it ever achieved under specific and best conditions. hehe
 
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wt_know;590731 said:
yeah, I have heard many times that every dyno gets different results (could be higher or lower)
perhaps, when BMW pen down the factory specs, it was the best result that it ever achieved under specific and best conditions. hehe

i think that should be the case plus the weather there different...........




cheers
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

weather is no prob la. they test the car in a lab that they can recreate 4 seasons :D
anyway, it's always great that we are able to tune the car to squueze a few more tiny horses :)
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

wt_know;590704 said:
i'm glad that the jerking issue is somewhat reduced or gone after ecu tuned
on the other hand, i'm very puzzle why e90 320 after tuned is 150bhp/200Nm torque which is exactly factory specs.
yeah i know the factory specs is bo joon but ..... nevermind ... as long as owner is happy with the tuned.

I always thought dynos are just tuning tools - to see the before and after hp and torque. To understand the delta gain / loss.

The absolute value of the dynos varies as the car's ECU uses a lot of ambient parmeters - humidity, temperature, air flow, O2 in the exhaust fumes etc. When the weather is bad for the engine you get a lousy dyno absolute value. And the germans probably derived the factory specs in a climate very different from Singapore's.

But it's just my theory ......could be all BS.
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

if dyno results skew drastically then i could 'say' that my untuned e90 320 could be getting 150bhp/200Nm in superb condition ? hehe
 
Re: Had engine tuned and "jerk before stop" is gone

But jerking before stop is associated with gearbox right? I am having this irritating issue and hopefully my 4th attempt at Khang's Auto will finally kill this issue. They claimed they knew what went wrong, took 3 weeks to indent some parts from Europe and the parts just arrived.. so I am really keeping my fingers crossed...
 
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supposely the engine generates100 power thru combustion but when the power reach the wheel to move the car ... the reading is 70 power only. 30% lost :(
phelp can swim very fast but there is some lost power thru fiction between his body and water. that's why he needs the high tech swimsuit to improve some secs

pengful;590742 said:
What is this "lost power"?
 
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wt_know;590745 said:
supposely the engine generates100 power thru combustion but when the power reach the wheel to move the car ... the reading is 70 power only. 30% lost :(
phelp can swim very fast but there is some lost power thru fiction between his body and water. that's why he needs the high tech swimsuit to improve some secs

Interesting explanation but how do you relate the dyno results to the published figure of 156 bhp?
 
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James1500;590743 said:
But jerking before stop is associated with gearbox right? I am having this irritating issue and hopefully my 4th attempt at Khang's Auto will finally kill this issue. They claimed they knew what went wrong, took 3 weeks to indent some parts from Europe and the parts just arrived.. so I am really keeping my fingers crossed...

I thought so too. Still monitoring if the jerking is really gone.
 
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condition affect results. the car engine delivers different results at different conditions that is a complexity depends on fuel quality, engine oil quality, temperature, air density, the dyno machine setup and parameter settings (this has the biggest influence), etc

phelp (the swimmer) could deliver different results if he swim in the morning/afternoon/night or even pool design or water quality. some commented that the swimming pool in china olympic has got some design that helped many swimmer breaks record.

pengful;590754 said:
Interesting explanation but how do you relate the dyno results to the published figure of 156 bhp?
 
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Most dynos makes measurements with correction factors entered before the start. So each time, the results can vary.

The most accurate dyno are those that are called Rolling Roads....these are large set ups with the cars being braked by a one tonne drum at the wheel. These are accurate everytime, but expensive to set up.

When you get your car, there are losses from the crank to the wheels.

Dynos should be done in controlled environments. Like the dyno at Motorimage, enclosed room. Takes away factors like heat, dirt away from the various dyno runs.
 
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BOSS is a 4 letter word. These days whenever I walk into BOSS, it turns my cars into bad guys.

Having said, its about time I dyno my 320 at BOSS. kekeke
 
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Pulled from Horsepower: Making it Add Up

SAE Net Horspower
In 1972, American manufacturers phased in SAE net horsepower. This is the standard on which current American ratings are based. This rating is measured at the flywheel, on an engine dyno, but the engine is tested with all accessories installed, including a full exhaust system, all pumps, the alternator, the starter, and emissions controls. Both SAE net and SAE gross horsepower test procedures are documented in Society of Automotive Engineers standard J1349. Because SAE net is so common, this is the standard we will use to compare all others.

SAE Gross Horsepower
This is the old process that American manufacturers used as a guide for rating their cars. It was in place until 1971. SAE gross also measures horsepower at the flywheel, but with no accessories to bog it down. This is the bare engine with nothing but the absolute essentials attached to it; little more than a carb, fuel pump, oil pump, and water pump. Because the test equipment on the engine is not the same as in SAE net, it is impossible to provide a mathematical calculation between SAE net and SAE gross. As a general rule, however, SAE net tends to be approximately 80% of the value of SAE gross. SAE J245 and J1995 define this measurement.

DIN Horsepower
This is a standard, DIN 70020, for measuring horsepower that very closely matches SAE net. The conditions of the test vary slightly, but the required equipment on the engine and the point of measurement (flywheel) remains the same. Because the test conditions are so similar, it is safe to divide DIN horsepower by 1.0139 to arrive at SAE net. This value is so close to equal that for all but the most technical purposes DIN and SAE net are interchangeable.

Brake Horsepower
Often road test magazines will list horsepower as "bhp". This is just another way to talk about SAE net horsepower.

Kilowatts
Kilowatts, or kW, is not a different way of measuring engine power; it's just a different unit of measure. Countries that use kilowatts instead of horsepower typically use a rating system very close to SAE net horsepower (usually DIN). To convert kW to SAE net hp, divide the kW value by 0.7457.

Advertised Horsepower
Surprise! Those horsepower numbers presented in advertising and brochures aren't always accurate. Though manufacturers are supposed to base their horsepower ratings on SAE net standards, they are not completely beholden to it. They often fudge the numbers. Ford and Mazda both recently got in trouble with the Mustang Cobra and the MX-5 Miata, respectively, when they delivered a car that had less horsepower than what they advertised. Ford ended up doing considerable warranty work to bring the numbers up where they belonged, and Mazda re-rated their car and offered to buy back any offended customers' cars. General Motors regularly underrates their engines, most notably the GM LS1 5.7L engine as installed in the F-body (Camaro and Firebird) cars. Mechanically almost identical to the engines installed in the Y-body car (Corvette), the engine mysteriously "lost" 40 advertised horsepower in the F-body chassis. Although this technically is as fraudulent as selling a car with less than the advertised horsepower, no one seems to complain when they get a car with more horsepower than what appears on the spec sheet.

Based on my stock case, is it technically correct to say that motor power is horsepower at the crank + lost power (power lost through drive-trains, temp, humidity, etc) = the advertised horsepower that BMW made?

Therefore, 126.7 + 25.4 = 152.1 which is very close to 156 (advertised)?
 

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