GTR beats own record at the ring...

DoggieHowser

DoggieHowser

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Good grief. 7:29

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Not the VSpec.. but the base model that you can get in Japan now.

GT-R ACHIEVES UNDER 7:30 AT NURBURGRING


- GT-R among the fastest ever production road cars at the ‘Ring’ -

(CASCAIS, Portugal, 1st May 2008) - Nissan today announced that its GT-R supercar achieved a lap time at the infamous Nurburgring in Germany of seven minutes and 29 seconds. Recorded on April 16 and 17, the GT-R used was a base specification car and fitted with the standard Japanese market tires. Driven by GT-R chief test driver Tochio Suzuki, this latest lap time beats the previous fastest time for the GT-R by nine seconds.

The previous best lap time for GT-R of 7:38, also driven by Suzuki, was one of the fastest laps achieved by a production car despite conditions being slightly damp on two corners.

“At last year’s testing, we were frustrated by the conditions at the Nurburgring, always believing that the GT-R could go under seven minutes 30 seconds.” said Kazutoshi Mizuno, Chief Vehicle Engineer for GT-R. “Below seven minutes 30 seconds, the GT-R proves it is among the fastest mass-production cars in the world. We set out to build a multi-performance supercar accessible to anyone, anytime and anywhere - I believe the GT-R has delivered that promise.”

Deliveries of the all-new GT-R began in Japan in December 2007. Sales in the US and Canada start in July and extend to Europe and other markets over the next 12 months.

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For more information, please contact Neil Reeve on +41 79701 8287.
nreeve@nissan-europe.com
 
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:ultrasho: Simply amazing...
 
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Holy...!!! Can't wait to see what the V-spec does...
 
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well done nissan, they r gonna force porsche to re-look at that rear engine design.
 
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I tried to call Mr Reeve but he wasn't at his desk!
 
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For reference, I believe Nissan had a closed track to do this timing.

From Walter Rohrl's comments (he was complaining abt having to evade traffic), it seems not to be the case with the Porsche runs
 
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I don't think the Z06 or ZR1 will be able to match these times. So far it has been nothing but mismatches (damp track, standing/flying lap, claims of non qualified driver, etc. IIRC) and they better do something quick or people might start to think the mismatches are on purpose because they plain cannot match.

Even if they did match or beat, they won't be as all weather and as easily drivable. ZR1 is also slightly more expensive so they better pull something good out of the bag or it won't be worth it at all.

All hail GTR! Waiting now to see 10 quick lap at Sepang. There was a guy who had semi-slicks on one, ran some laps over a couple trackdays at SIC but might have been spared cos it ran significantly off low 30s which others have shown it can do even on stock tires.
 
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Shaun;327366 said:
I don't think the Z06 or ZR1 will be able to match these times. So far it has been nothing but mismatches (damp track, standing/flying lap, claims of non qualified driver, etc. IIRC) and they better do something quick or people might start to think the mismatches are on purpose because they plain cannot match.

Even if they did match or beat, they won't be as all weather and as easily drivable. ZR1 is also slightly more expensive so they better pull something good out of the bag or it won't be worth it at all.
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Next, someone is going to chip in on how "cheap" the interior is, how it makes gods out of mere mortals through all that high-tech wizardry without actually possessing the ability to drive despite the commenter most likely not even having any sort of respectable driving ability quantified by lap times, how common it is where even their maid's uncle's cousin's in-bred half-brother has one (and he doesn't have a license, but screw that see the prior statement), and oh, it comes from Japan, can you imagine that? It's not German so you can't say it wasn't aligned with the Axis powers and were defeated during WW2 now can you?

In other words, it's the sort of car I would like to sit in. Now. Are you reading this BK? :D
 
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Head over to the Corvette forums and read it from their point of view, not always one sided but still interesting.

One of the better submission on the debate - by vette friend

Relative to the posted lap times, hold the phone. First of all, I believe the engineers are adjusting the MR calibration (and perhaps other chassis settings) for the Nurburgring and the Autobahn thus there always has been a passanger in the car. Both require more damping than anything you will see in the states. I’ve been lucky enough to drive the ring and believe me, this is a fact.

The Nurburgring is 15 miles long with about 150 turns. The amount of damping required to tame that monster pearls when compared to anything here.

When adjusting the suspension for the ring, you need to work the track in sections. Trying to work the track as a whole is like pi$$ing into the wind.

My take is the engineers, who are in fact very fast drivers, are working sections of the track, then they drive fairly slow as they make adjustments (by laptop in the case of MR) until that section is completed. After that, they will work the next sections until they have a performance calibration that suits the entire track. Thus the lap times so far above 7:40.

When the calibrations are complete, you will see full laps run at race pace. That's when Jan or Johnny O will start lapping.

The Z06 was also done this way (after the original Jan fast lap). There are now export rear shocks for Europe. Don't be surprised to see Jan or Johnny O give the Z06 another try. The 7:42 was done from a standing start (I know this for a 100% fact). Mr. Shoemacker who runs the Ring told GM this is how it's done.

The fact that Nissan decided to use a flying start was done on their own accord. If Jan or Johnny 0 tries to improve on the 7:42, it will be done from a standing start, then they might just do a lap with a flying start just to prove the Z06 is faster around the ring than the GT-R’s 7:38.

One more thing, if you look at the weather for the last 2 weeks they would have been lucky to get 2 or 3 days of dry track. Next week doesn’t look good either, but if it is, believe me, the engineers will be working hard to complete the car in preparation for Jan or Johnny.

My guess, you will see times in the low 7:30’s or high 7:20’s JMO. Weather GM decides to use a standing start (common practice) or a flying stare (Nissan practice) will remained to be seen. But because of all the controversy from the Z06 lap times, I’ll bet they will be crystal clear with proof on how the lap was run.
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Did anyone see the Zonda video? That wasn't a "standing start" either :) So does AutoSport. Wonder why GM chose to be different.

Speaking of the Zonda vid, someone did a window in window comparison with the original 7:38 GTR video and the GTR was neck and neck with the GTR until the GTR had to slow down at the 2 wet spots. So this timing I guess was always a possibility.
 
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ps Crufty arrange a kopi session again :p
 
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Doggie - wait few days for kopi session, then I also can :) hopefully
 
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fasterthanferrari;327697 said:
Head over to the Corvette forums and read it from their point of view, not always one sided but still interesting.

One of the better submission on the debate - by vette friend
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GM has had more than enough time run a lap for specific comparison to nearly all other makes. I believe it has been years. It has to be on purpose because somehow they don't want to be compared. It's weird... kind of like going to Sepang and then declaring "my time of 2:40 may be slow, but it was from a standing start!" while everyone else takes flying laps.

They shouldn't even be messing around with MR cals specific to the ring because the cal won't be what the stock car comes with. Vette friend is also wrong about the Nurburging needing more damping than anything in the states. It is actually the opposite on a high speed rough track like that. But of course if you're lacking travel and forced to used spring rates too soft for a bumpy course course, then you might need to, just to keep off the stock bump stops which probably aren't very progressive. Lesser of two evils but still bad for handling..

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Was talking about the Nring times with a friend over dinner the other night and started wondering about how far the manufacturers would go to cheat to get a good time. There are so many small, cheap and easy things you could do to a car that would not be visible and give you a quicker lap, and still allow you to declare that the time had been accomplished with 100% stock hardware car (neglecting to mention additions and tweaks). I suppose the amount of focus the Nring times get and how much it helps them sell cars will determine how much cheating is going on. Maybe it can't even be considered cheating because it is an unofficial ladder.

Also I think the track gets more credit than it is due as a car testing ground. IMO it is more of a driver testing ground... memorizing every little thing about the entire track and then hustling a car round it. In the case of not so great memory, a car set up to be easily driven slightly closed loop, is a big advantage.

The course in itself is fairly similar all the way through in terms of how bumpy is it and the turn speeds. The bumpiness is great for durability and handling tests, but there is no great mix overall.. no compromise. There is one long smooth straight, but that's. No other qualities much different from the other 90 something percent of the course. It is not representative of roads that you drive around on, if you live in or around most modern cities and suburbs, and head out to the track every now and then. Almost none of it is as bumpy.

What got me thinking about this is the CGT's times vs the GTR's. Close times despite the CGT's huge advantage in power, weight, mass placement. The GTR is just better suited to the track, but that does not make it a better car, even looking just strictly at performance. On roads and courses representative of what most high performance enthusiasts (especially the wealthier ones) drive on, the CGT would win everything. There's just too much advantage in having enough travel, the right rates, and not being shocked out of control when it comes to bumpy courses. Enzo would be another big upset not being able to get anywhere near what it could do with its ground effect aero. I believe the unspectacular times when that modern F1 car (think it was Williams?) ran the ring were due to the same reason.
 
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Walter Rorhl has been interviewed many times recently without Porsche authorization. He mentioned that people are doing too much to optimize the car for Nuburgring (pot calling kettle black). And also mentioned that the damping for Nuburg has to be soft, so car optimized for nuburg might be great for nuburg but crap for Sepang supersmooth circuit.
 
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Interesting... generally backs up what I was thinking..
 
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Yah , Walter did the GT2 with PASM in normal mode....the ring is simply too bumpy according to him.

and yes

GTR = Govern The RING
 
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TripleM;328353 said:
Yah , Walter did the GT2 with PASM in normal mode....the ring is simply too bumpy according to him.

and yes

GTR = Govern The RING
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that being said, the GTR has optimizations like increased spring rates in their new revisions and production. And Porsche itself has been chasing ring times for long long time. it's only fair that some other guys now bump the party.

The only difference was that Porsche was not pure blooded in their pursuit of Nuburg times, while Nissan has been quite purist in that pursuit.
 
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