E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

[Ahbengdriver]

This topic was discussed to death on foreign forums, but lets hear it from expensive car country aka singapore. Now that we ve seen the concept M3 for comparison, with some rumoured and yet unfully reliable specs.....how many here would choose a 335 over an M3 or vice versa.

Spec 335-
306bhp
400Nm
3 litres I-6 TT
0-100 ~5.5sec(some test mentioned 4.8/4.9sec nia)
Price $235k

Spec M3(rumoured as I read)-
415 to 440bhp(with a M power button, probably works like M5 type. Suspect 300bhp on normal conditons but on activation release full power)
420Nm
4 litres V8
0-100 ~4.5/4.6(rumoured only)
Price, lets say as $335, ie $100k extra.(clsoe to Audi RS4)

 

[shaaz]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

///M will always be a M, can afford it then why not?...

 

[pg7170]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

exactly...

how can one compare a 335 to the new M3... especially here in Sillypore.

the price difference here with make it really clear... n when u do have the budget... then its really a no brainer rite.

think u should compare the 335 to the new Audi S5

 

[centurion]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

///M will always be a M, can afford it then why not?...

agreed with shaaz. Simply no comparison if money is taken out of the equation. The M3 is a better compromise than the 335i for the enthusiast.

 

[Ahbengdriver]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

Sorry maybe I should clarify. I am not trying to discuss inter-brands, but intra BMW models because as is discussed widely elsewehere, the main thing that came to most people's mind is that BMW now has a 3series non-M model which has narrowed the gap with an M. Yes the 335 BHP is still about 100 less than M3, but look at the torque...almost equal. This wasnt the case for the E46 era.

 

[TripleM]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

I actually think it makes perfect sense for one to compare between the two when it comes to making a decision. Don't forget, the 335i was introduced to gap between 330 and M3 if u know what I mean. So, people will compare these two based on performance and price relativities...100k is alot of money, tho IMO, it's more likely to be 115k at least. E92M3 will be priced ard 350k...I anyhow confidently guess one..

 

[shaaz]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

Even for torque, there's alot of diff. There's abt 20NM more on the ///M and trust me.. that is ALOT. Then there's also the case of how early it comes and when it puffs out, the 335i which has early torque ends pretty early where the ///M has a longer rev range to carry it's torque up. so at the end of the day, on paper the 335 may be very close to the new upcoming ///M, but i dont think it is.. dont think the boys at BMW wld ever do that.. the ///M, the letter , the heritage... it's like a religon man.. they will never make a ///M very close to thier non-m's.

This is how i see things la.. anyways.. i still ///M, even the E46 ///M i still take.

 

[centurion]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

I tend to agree with Shaaz again here. The torque for the 2008 M3 is most likely going to be shifted up so as not to have a situation of `out of breath' at high rpm. It's the most frustrating thing about driving a limo on the track, the `out of breath' syndrome.

I suspect that the M3 has to reach 7500-7800 rpm to generate the HP at remapped mode. So the NA engine is much less manic, torque maintained at higher rpm, and for the track this is priceless.

BUT, you're not gonna track your 335i coupe seriously, right? For everyday use, keep the S$100K in your pocket and get the 335i. There is no reason for a manic V8 NA machine for everyday use.



elmariachi has graciously supplied the 335i torque curve here:

 

[Ahbengdriver]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

There is no reason for a manic V8 NA machine for everyday use.

Tell that to TripleM:nehnehhh:

 

[TripleM]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

I hv IL-6 kekeke....................

 

[centurion]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

TripleM's one is not so extreme as the new M3. I6 and a V8, and the difference in engine capacity, renders the new M3 even more extreme than the E46 M3.

I believe that TripleM's E46 M3 is the last time the M3 could be stretched to be `practical'. Under our tax regime, the new M3 cannot be creatively stretched even.

 

[Suipalucsea]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

Depends on your priorities. To me low-end torque is where it's at. So the 335 is the one for me.

 

[The Mixmaster]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

I am torn i between.

On the one hand, the road tax for the 4 litre V8 M3 is something to think about, not just during your ownership of the car but also when you are trying to sell the car to the next owner. How many people can afford to pay the road tax for a 4 litre engine?

On the other hand, if I own a 335i, knowing myself, I could end up modding and modding the car with engine and cosmetic parts (interiro and exterior) to "catch up" with a M3. Then, you might as well spend all the modding money buying the M3 in the first place.

Any chance that the Singapore govt may revamp the road tax system soon? Donno why Singapore cannot follow the road tax system in countries such as Australia, UK or even Malaysia, where the road tax does not get progressively higher corresponding to the engine size. After all, a E62 AMG Merc (supercharged somemore) only occupies at any one time the same road space as a E200 Kompressor right?

 

[Ahbengdriver]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

Any chance that the Singapore govt may revamp the road tax system soon? Donno why Singapore cannot follow the road tax system in countries such as Australia, UK or even Malaysia, where the road tax does not get progressively higher corresponding to the engine size. After all, a E62 AMG Merc (supercharged somemore) only occupies at any one time the same road space as a E200 Kompressor right?

You hit the nail man. I ve never understood this logic(what logic huh?) since the day I learnt of cars on this planet too. why are they faulting bigger cc cars just beats me. 1.8T road tax cheaper than 2L NA:screwedu: . road tax for Golf GTI 3.2L small car > Camry 2.4L :screwedu: . Wait better still, old car > 10 years old...road tax increase every year:screwedu:

Thats why we need some people to hammer some sense into the heads of people at LTA, so next time please vote for more hammers, not lightnings

 

[centurion]

Re: E92 335 vs. E92 ///M3

Beng, beware what you ask for. Emissions is the name of the game today. If they suddenly base the road tax on emissions, like they do for UK Corporate Car tax, most of the WRXes are screwed. So are most of the high output moderate engine sized M3, 911s, etc. They will put you on the highest curve, exponential gain in tax, and we might as well kiss that over 200g/km emissions cars goodbye.