Audi A5 Coupe 3.2 TDI

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yup. saw it in the showroom as well. very good condition. almost as good as brand new. road tax really is the deal breaker.
 
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good for daily driving car,
it can work out to be beneficial overall.....
 
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David, MTL !
 
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i suppose u be running this thing quite a bit...else better off the S5. bhp kindda low for a 3L imo although super torquy.
 
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Deadkookaburra;561574 said:
i suppose u be running this thing quite a bit...else better off the S5. bhp kindda low for a 3L imo although super torquy.

the S5 is still the 4.2 V8? old or newer version.... or they using the S4 3.0 supercharged 333bhp engine?

the a5/s5 shape is nice... i like.

but of course get the S5.... the power... the grunt!

8)
 
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the 6k road tax is really a put off
but 500nm
 
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pg7170;561580 said:
the S5 is still the 4.2 V8? old or newer version.... or they using the S4 3.0 supercharged 333bhp engine?

the a5/s5 shape is nice... i like.

but of course get the S5.... the power... the grunt!

8)
S5 is 4.2L V8 NA. the cabrolet is the one that is 3.0L supercharge FI.
 
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I like TDI..humoungous torque...Turbo Diesel is damm popular in Europe.....good FC is driven on long distance..only setback clattering sound .

I will be first to jump into Diesel if the sili gov change the road-tax structure that is currently penalising diesel cars
 
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Slater;561585 said:
S5 is 4.2L V8 NA. the cabrolet is the one that is 3.0L supercharge FI.


thanks.... was told the S5 sportback also 3.0 SC.... haha... y the diff?

anyway... if the old 4.2 V8... then get MTM to supercharge for u... also can... swee swee
 
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davidtch;561559 said:
i wonder anybody saw it on Sgcarmart
Used Audi A5 3.0 TDI Quattro Car for Sale in Singapore, Premium Automobiles - sgCarMart

Upside:
500NM torque @ 1.5k - 3k RPM
FC: Combined cycle: 6.9L/100km or 14.5km/L

Downside:
Roadtax = $6,058/annum but cheaper than Murcielago

Slater;561560 said:
yup. saw it in the showroom as well. very good condition. almost as good as brand new. road tax really is the deal breaker.

TripleM;561565 said:
good for daily driving car,
it can work out to be beneficial overall.....


Actually it can work out beneficial for drivers who clock high mileage.

Assuming its road tax is $4k more than a regular 2L-3L car and price diff bet. diesel and petrol $0.80/L and each each week we pump a tank of 100L.
In 40 weeks we can offset the higher road tax with the cheaper fuel even without factoring in the lower fuel comsumption.

Too bad BMW does not bring in any diesel !!!!!!:biggun:
 
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Jason8822;561599 said:
Actually it can work out beneficial for drivers who clock high mileage.

Assuming its road tax is $4k more than a regular 2L-3L car and price diff bet. diesel and petrol $0.80/L and each each week we pump a tank of 100L.
In 40 weeks we can offset the higher road tax with the cheaper fuel even without factoring in the lower fuel comsumption.

Too bad BMW does not bring in any diesel !!!!!!:biggun:
Roadtax difference btw 3.2 FSI & 3 TDI is $3,360.

Based on factory quote FC, the breakeven mileage is about 42k km/annum. How many round the island?
 
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davidtch;561616 said:
Roadtax difference btw 3.2 FSI & 3 TDI is $3,360.

Based on factory quote FC, the breakeven mileage is about 42k km/annum. How many round the island?

I think if you use the Difference between FC (3.2FSI) x Petrol $ vs FC (3 TDI) x Diesel $ then the breakeven mileage will be much lower.

Correct me if i'm wrong cos i'm seriously considering a diesel car and my mileage is only about 30k km/yr
 
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in the s5 3.0 SC engine, once you chip it up with MTM, you get 430bhp and 515nm, so it suisui covers the plus point of the diesel's 500nm. but of course the diesel can be further chipped up to god knows what kind of torque, but that'll defeat the fuel frugality point of buying a very heavy diesel engine in the first place. Plus, I'm not very sure about the quality of singapore's diesel. I suspect the engine management may cut back on the power.
 
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Jason8822;561639 said:
I think if you use the Difference between FC (3.2FSI) x Petrol $ vs FC (3 TDI) x Diesel $ then the breakeven mileage will be much lower.

Correct me if i'm wrong cos i'm seriously considering a diesel car and my mileage is only about 30k km/yr
3.2 FSI
FC: 9L/100km
Petrol price: $1.89 (no discount)
Road tax: $6,026

3.0 TDI
FC: 6.9L/100km
Diesel Price: 1.303 (no discount)
Road tax: $2,694

Road tax difference = $3,332

This is my calculation:
3.2 FSI: 42,000km / (100 * 9) * 1.89 = $7,144.82
3.0 TDI: 42,000km/ (100* 6.9) x 1.303 = $3,776.09
Difference = $3,368.73
 
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Slater;561560 said:
.... road tax really is the deal breaker.
Another possible deal breaker is that these newer diesel engines cannot take Malaysia diesel? I recall reading about this when these new generation diesel engines came to Spore. But now nobody mentions it anymore... DOes this still hold true?
 
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Clean diesel cars going nowhere
In the first three months of the year, the diesel car population only increased by a mere four.

Tue, May 05, 2009
The Business Times
By JOYCE HOOI
CLEAN diesel cars are still non-starters in Singapore, and car companies are finding out the hard way.
Three car makers - Chevrolet, Alfa Romeo and Volkswagen - have introduced diesel variants to the local market to capitalise on the cut in a special tax on Euro IV cars that kicked in last July.
Volkswagen, which led the charge by introducing the Touareg R50, Touareg 3.0 TDI and Polo Bluemotion last July, has seen a muted response after almost nine months.
"Since the launch of sales of TDIs, our number of diesel passenger car sales is small at about 10 units," says Olaf Duebel, managing director of Volkswagen Group Singapore.
Alfa Romeo has managed to move just one Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM turbo-diesel car since its launch last October.
And while General Motors says it is too early to comment on sales of the Chevrolet Captiva Diesel that was launched in February, a report from the Motor Traders Association for March shows not a single unit has been sold so far.
The association accounts for most local car dealers except parallel importers.
The numbers are bleak.
There were five diesel car models in the local market, but only 21 such vehicles in the local car population at end-March.
While the 2008 cut in the special tax on Euro IV diesel cars could have accounted for 13 of the 21 diesel cars added to the vehicle population that year, its effect pales in comparison to that of the Green Vehicle Rebate Scheme on hybrid cars.
In the first three months of the year, the diesel car population only increased by a mere four, while the number of hybrids swelled by 148.
The tax cut - a nod to Euro IV cars- improved carbon dioxide and particulate matter emission levels - made clean diesel cars cheaper options, but not cheap enough to appeal to drivers.
The road tax payable on a 1,600cc petrol car is $744 annually, whereas a 1,600cc Euro IV diesel car will cost drivers an extra $2,000 in special taxes, at a rate of $1.25 per cc.
Car industry insiders have long questioned the rationale of the special tax on Euro IV diesel cars, given that a diesel car like the Polo Bluemotion is one of the lowest emitters of carbon dioxide, while the Alfa Romeo 159 1.9 turbo- diesel car is more fuel-efficient than its petrol equivalent.
"The current tax structure is more favourable towards what we term 'concept-oriented' cars - that is, hybrid and compressed natural gas (CNG) cars," says Reinhold Carl, managing director of Audi Singapore.
"A more comprehensive approach should be 'results-oriented', based on consumption and emission levels, which will place diesel on par with hybrid and CNG vehicles."
The ministry of finance (MOF), which makes vehicle tax policy, believes it is merely narrowing the gap between the higher cost of petrol and lower diesel prices.
"The special tax on private diesel cars was introduced in lieu of a volumetric excise duty, analogous to the tax per litre of petrol that petrol cars are subject to," says an MOF spokesman.
The average car owner drives about 20,000km a year, but needs to clock up 25,000km to break even on a diesel car with special tax, according to David Tay, general manager of authorised Alfa Romeo dealer Euro Automobile.
Mr Tay reckons very few drivers manage to rack up 25,000km a year, placing the diesel car on the losing end of a cost-benefit analysis.
Kittichai Jarusrojpoka, managing director of General Motors ODC Singapore, says: "We feel more people would consider buying diesel-powered cars if not for the special tax, especially since diesel is priced 18 per cent lower than petrol."
The poor response to diesel cars has made other carmakers pause before rolling out diesel variants.
Authorised Honda dealer Kah Motor, which expressed interest in launching diesel variants of the Honda Accord and CR-V early last year, will no longer do so.
"We explored the introduction of diesel models with Honda Motor extensively in Singapore last year and concluded that due to the still rather high annual taxes, ownership of a diesel-powered passenger car still will not make sense.
And that was concluded with diesel and petrol prices at their peak," says Vincent Ng, product manager for Kah Motor.
"Now, with diesel prices and petrol at current levels, the marketability of diesel passenger cars has become even more uncertain."
Audi, however, remains unfazed.
Special tax or not, it will introduce the A5 3.0 TDI diesel car in Singapore this year.
"Our key objective with the A5 3.0 TDI was never to be a volume mover," says Audi Singapore's Mr Carl. "We wanted to open up the possibilities of diesel engines within our range of cars and use the opportunity to educate customers that diesel is the most viable alternative to bridge the gap between performance and ecofriendliness."
 
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longhorn;561689 said:
Another possible deal breaker is that these newer diesel engines cannot take Malaysia diesel? I recall reading about this when these new generation diesel engines came to Spore. But now nobody mentions it anymore... DOes this still hold true?
It is true. That's why E90 320d sold in Msia need to adjusted to use local diesel. As most diesel can cover 1,000km with ease, a trip to KL may not need refill till u are back.
 
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davidtch;561678 said:
3.2 FSI
FC: 9L/100km
Petrol price: $1.89 (no discount)
Road tax: $6,026

3.0 TDI
FC: 6.9L/100km
Diesel Price: 1.303 (no discount)
Road tax: $2,694

Road tax difference = $3,332

This is my calculation:
3.2 FSI: 42,000km / (100 * 9) * 1.89 = $7,144.82
3.0 TDI: 42,000km/ (100* 6.9) x 1.303 = $3,776.09
Difference = $3,368.73


Ok, got it.
My idea of the fuel price diff is too great thus the overly optimistic view.
Seems like my dream of driving a 535d is not coming true
 

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