E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

[AC Schnitzer]

I just test drove the E46 M3 CSL last week. I would not classify it as hardcore in my context. If anything I feel that it is a great cruiser with the occasional weekend track warrior.

After 1 test drive, my E9 is now in the market so that I can purchase the CSL. Hopefully nobody steal it before me.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by AC Schnitzer

I just test drove the E46 M3 CSL last week. I would not classify it as hardcore in my context. If anything I feel that it is a great cruiser with the occasional weekend track warrior.

After 1 test drive, my E9 is now in the market so that I can purchase the CSL. Hopefully nobody steal it before me.

So where did u see the CSL again hehehe...

regards.

[AC Schnitzer]

In Perth. hiak hiak ...

Initial experience driving around town, it is just your ordinary M3. Maybe a slight hint of stiffer suspension, but nothing drastic. The moment we got on the freeway, switch to S6, engaged sports mode and floor the thing, its almost god like. I swear the induction noise is almost as loud as the exhaust itself if not louder.

Both M3 and CSL have 6 ITBs but what makes the CSL powerplant unique is the intake manifold. Unlike the M3 which is running a relatively restrictive intake manifold drawing air from an airbox, the CSL has a huge CFRP Intake manifold drawing air from an inlet no lesser than 4" in diameter.

While I was at the dealership, the salesman revved the throttle and at certain rpm, the flap opens 100% and air flow is at 100% free flow.

I'd have to say the CSL is no quicker than my current car. If anything I could probably give it a 10 second headstart at the local track and still cross the finishing line ahead of it.

But when you drive the CSL, its a CSL. No matter what you do to the Evo, its still a CSL. Totally whole new different experience.

[centurion]

turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.

[AC Schnitzer]

Originally Posted by centurion

turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.

Wear and tear issues are inevitable. It is the speed at which wear and tear occurs. Given proper installation , tuning, maintainence and driving, they are reliable.

I've participated more Competitive Events than I have done guard duties during NS and it hasn't paused a single time.

I have withnessed various "makes" that are newer than mine and have never seen the track broke down before my 20,000km oil change. Gearbox blew, engine blew, etc. Everyone knows the owner doesn't track but upon inspection, gear 1 and 2 have been stripped clean.

[The Mixmaster]

Originally Posted by centurion

the 335 is hardly a hardcore. Too distant in fact. It is almost purely a cruiser in stock form, along the lines of Lexus GS, Merc CLS. Comfortable beyond compare, and the forced induction helps the engine get torque at lower rpms, even lowering noise levels beyond the benchmark set by the GS during semi-enthusiastic driving.

If so, if I get a BMW 335, I would have to leave it stock as I am looking for a good cruiser on the NS.

[kenntona]

Originally Posted by The Mixmaster

I would have to leave it stock as I am looking for a good cruiser on the NS.

DJ, how to keep it stock when a simple piggyback system can add so much more torque ? Wahahahahahahaha, stop lying to yourself......

[The Mixmaster]

Originally Posted by kenntona

DJ, how to keep it stock when a simple piggyback system can add so much more torque ? Wahahahahahahaha, stop lying to yourself......

You know, that is one reason why I don't dare to get a 335. Friends like you will be there to poison me.

How much does it cost to increase your 335's horse power beyond my E46 M3's 343 bhp?

Seriously, it is beyond my budget at the moment. PML also increased prices by $10k across the range I heard.

[TripleM]

U can go PI route...save the moolah for some other accidental mods

[louis]

Originally Posted by centurion

turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.

for a given displacement with the same target power levels, turbocharging might be more reliable than revving the balls off a NA engine with high compression though...